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12-05-2011 , 08:29 PM

battster41

grinder

Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 544

There were no regs at my table. Is this still too wide? I put it into sngwiz and with everyone having a reasonably tight range it's still a fold. I was surprised. I give everyone 88+, AQ+ or maybe its more like 77+, AJo+.Not sure..all unknowns.

Poker Stars, $13.77 Buy-in (1,500/3,000 blinds, 300 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 7 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #11252612

MP3: 35,566 (11.9 bb)
CO: 76,563 (25.5 bb)
BTN: 34,898 (11.6 bb)
SB: 23,429 (7.8 bb)
BB: 31,680 (10.6 bb)
Hero (MP1): 29,988 (10 bb)
MP2: 37,876 (12.6 bb)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with Q

Hero raises to 29,688 and is all-in

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Last edited by TeamTrousers; 12-06-2011 at 01:56 PM. Reason: As per FAQ, please don't past results. Thanks

12-05-2011 , 09:06 PM

OMGClayDol

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 11,061

yea range on ft with icm is significantly different to range pre final table/no icm. this is a bit too wide, based on the ranges you put into wiz id assume sth like 88 ats ajo kqs or probably even tighter. id go something like the range i just said, maybe a tiny bit wider.

12-06-2011 , 04:24 AM

furo

deviation of equilibrium

Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 29,639

close fold but a better shove than SBs call.
if they call you as wide as SB does its a snapfold.

12-06-2011 , 11:43 AM

hermits ftw

newbie

Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 15

Not sure what's wrong with a min-raise here, looks stronger than an all-in and gives you options, particularly on the flop. If there's any Aces on the board you can fold to a bet, or otherwise shove. Even a min-raise you can get people folding with marginal hands, particularly as everyone is shortstacked. Just rough luck to find Kings, but you're always going to get called with a better hand really so I'd err on not shoving pre, particularly UTG.

12-06-2011 , 11:49 AM

HoleInOne11

old hand

Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 1,260

If you min raise then you can't really fold to a shove. That would be pretty bad. It is either shove or fold

12-06-2011 , 06:14 PM

XMenCypher

old hand

Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 1,575

bit too wide if they are calling you lighter, would go with KQs, AJs. But your all in is better than a raise pre.

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Originally Posted by hermits ftw

Not sure what's wrong with a min-raise here, looks stronger than an all-in

if his read was no regs, then probably the table was very unaware, on unaware tables you play ABC and not FPS

12-06-2011 , 06:18 PM

funnybot

newbie

Join Date: Dec 2011 Posts: 21

If there are not regs at the table don't we wanna push wider?

12-06-2011 , 08:13 PM

OMGClayDol

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 11,061

well we dont have to call a shove if we minraise, but i hate minraising with 10bb stacks in general. so yea i just fold. and if they are randoms, they arent necessarily calling tighter. for eg some good regs call a bit tighter cause of icm whereas randoms will only call tighter because they are scared money etc. i wouldnt imagine a reg/randoms range being toooo different here. doubt you can find numbers to make kqo a profitable shove here anyway.

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