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 180 3 handed ..easy call from BB yea?  180 3 handed ..easy call from BB yea?

12-03-2011 , 05:51 PM
SB has been pushing and raising my BB almost every hand. 3rd is not that far behind. Easy call, yea?



    Poker Stars, $13.77 Buy-in (3,500/7,000 blinds, 700 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 3 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #11218082

    SB: 103,896 (14.8 bb)
    Hero (BB): 96,552 (13.8 bb)
    BTN: 69,552 (9.9 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is BB with A J
    BTN folds, SB raises to 103,196 and is all-in, Hero calls 88,852 and is all-in

    Flop: (193,804) 2 J 5 (2 players, 2 are all-in)
    Turn: (193,804) Q (2 players, 2 are all-in)
    River: (193,804) 2 (2 players, 2 are all-in)

    Spoiler:
    Results: 193,804 pot
    Final Board: 2 J 5 Q 2
    SB showed A Q and won 193,804 (97,252 net)
    Hero showed A J and lost (-96,552 net)



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    Last edited by battster41; 12-03-2011 at 05:56 PM. Reason: wribg
    12-03-2011 , 05:57 PM
    It's a call against anyone.
    12-03-2011 , 07:29 PM
    i call about 20% here
    12-04-2011 , 11:29 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by AcidManner
    i call about 20% here
    20% ~ 55+,A7s+,K8s+,QTs+,JTs,A8o+,K9o+,QTo+

    That is too light!

    correct it should be more like 15% ( with SB shuving loads as you stated, his correct range is below also)

    SB 80.1%, 22+ Qx+ J2s+ J4o+ T2s+ T6o+ 92s+ 95o+ 82s+ 85o+ 72s+ 75o+ 62s+ 64o+ 52s+ 54o 42s+ 32s
    BB 15.5%, 66+ A5s+ A8o+ K9s+ KJo+ QJs

    So bascially you snapjam this highfife monitor and pull out a few K$s out your pocket to play even more often.

    Last edited by Name Changed; 12-04-2011 at 11:37 AM.
    12-04-2011 , 01:43 PM
    20 is too loose I admit

    something about 10-15 is better

    i think we cant call strictly according wiz because when we win this and win, we have a big chance to win whole tournament

    what do you think about this guys?
    12-04-2011 , 02:06 PM
    what you mean by " call stricly according to wiz"
    it says 15,5%. I d prlly call tighter than wider
    I think I call this:
    77+,A8s+,KJs+,A9o+,KQo which is about 11,5%. It might be too tight, but its reducing variance and you ll finish way more first for ~750$ than 3rd for 294$ which will improve your hourly etc by a lot, even though i would shuv extremly wide.
    12-04-2011 , 09:04 PM
    that wizz is too tight here imo we will make more chips as a bigstacks in next games

    so i think it is better to call wider than wizz says in this spot
    12-04-2011 , 10:29 PM
    Snapping A2 here.
    12-04-2011 , 11:03 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by AcidManner
    20 is too loose I admit

    something about 10-15 is better

    i think we cant call strictly according wiz because when we win this and win, we have a big chance to win whole tournament

    what do you think about this guys?
    the program calculates that, in fact, that's what it does, it uses ICM to decide what range someone should push or fold.
    wiz calc = nash
    12-05-2011 , 01:11 AM
    i thought nash = hands that can be shoved profitably for a certain no. of bbs even if the opponent can see the cards.

    sngwiz uses icm which calculates your equity and sets calling and shoving ranges based on equity (ie current stack size v payouts % of time hero will cash in certain payout etc), or cEV which is more like nash

    correct me if i am wrong but wiz ICM would not equal nash since nash is concerned on cEV, and wiz is ICM?

    however i think calling wider than SNGWIZ suggests is not wise at all

    I think Shoving Wider than SNGWIZ is a good idea alot of the time (well a little bit wider anyway) since most players are not calling wide enough anyway

    and you can shove wider than nash because it assumes the villian can see your hand, when in reality he cant so you can shove a little deeper here


    again correct me if i am wrong please
    12-05-2011 , 04:20 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by 4 card brett
    i thought nash = hands that can be shoved profitably for a certain no. of bbs even if the opponent can see the cards.

    sngwiz uses icm which calculates your equity and sets calling and shoving ranges based on equity (ie current stack size v payouts % of time hero will cash in certain payout etc), or cEV which is more like nash

    correct me if i am wrong but wiz ICM would not equal nash since nash is concerned on cEV, and wiz is ICM?

    however i think calling wider than SNGWIZ suggests is not wise at all

    I think Shoving Wider than SNGWIZ is a good idea alot of the time (well a little bit wider anyway) since most players are not calling wide enough anyway

    and you can shove wider than nash because it assumes the villian can see your hand, when in reality he cant so you can shove a little deeper here


    again correct me if i am wrong please
    Nash is the strategy in any game where you are...
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nash_equilibrium

    In this case, anything the wiz proposes is never going to make you loose, the only time you should deviate from what the wiz proposes (nash) is when you believe your opponent is deviating from nash and you can win more than by playing nash.



    nashnashnashnash quite a good word.
    12-05-2011 , 04:43 AM
    not sure if everyone ITT got the HH right

    AJo is close, prolly a call, could easily be a fold, but not with the reads you got.
    12-05-2011 , 05:04 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by furo
    not sure if everyone ITT got the HH right
    I did but I suck.

    soo, SB is not an ATC push spot but it's pretty close to being.
    AND we have reads.
    Doesn't look like a hard decision.
    12-05-2011 , 06:58 AM
    snapping a2o off here is awful.
    as said in similar spots before you can't just assume villain is going to be on atc, even if we have reads he has been pretty aggressive/raised quite a bit. he may be shoving considerably less in this spot, like say 50% or something. but that being said even 75% is a pretty big difference from 100% in terms of what our calling range can be here.

    if he is atc calling range is 66 at a8s kq kts but that includes some hands that are pretty break evenish, meaning you can/should fold them if you have a skill edge etc, esp if the btn in this game is nitty, as you can make super profitable light shoves vs. him bvb for example. if both players are good regs who outclass you on the other hand, you could call all these hands. if he shoves 75% it becomes 77 ato ats kqs (which again includes breakeven ish hands) 50% 99 aqo ats. you get the idea. you are losing something like 2.5+ buy ins here if you call a2o and he is shoving 50%. more in net equity if the btn is a fish/bad due to future equity (such as being able to make light raises on him, or if he's too loose, him busting out too much by calling/shoving poorly etc)

    Last edited by OMGClayDol; 12-05-2011 at 07:05 AM.
    12-05-2011 , 09:38 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by LoveThee
    Doesn't look like a hard decision.
    not with AJo vs 90% of villains.
    but some ranges here ITT are lolbad -$EV.
    12-05-2011 , 12:00 PM
    This is an insta snap call in my books. Against anyone.
    12-05-2011 , 02:31 PM
    stacks are all too close for this to be a fold
    12-05-2011 , 02:33 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Johnny4F
    This is an insta snap call in my books. Against anyone.
    listen! this guy makes 2.5 posts a year, he aint messing around.

          
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