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Originally Posted by 4 card brett
why is min raising here so bad?
i thought smaller pre flop raises in latter stages of tourneys are good because your stack and villans stacks are so small
its still more than 5% (10% of most the tables or there abouts) of anyones stack so it would be wrong to have a flatting range here (except maybe AA or KK when you think preflop raises will always cbet flop and/or shove).
and min raising will often result in bad players shoving there normal shove range instead of a bit tighter.
if you 4x this you can never fold i dont think but i would never 4x with this size stack unless i am always willing to call all in pre flop, yes with QQ i am always getting in preflop call or shove w/e with these stack sizes, but what about AQo or AJs in the same position i would prolly be more inclined to 2.5x or 2.25x myself and fold if the c/o or button (and prolly the utg+2) shoved with AQo or AJs (note i myself do not min raise except on rare occasions i prefer 2.5xing with these stack sizes)
just want to know why it is so bad if the only reason is bad players will call at this stage of a tourney i am happy for bad players to make mistakes like set mining or w/e
He should be shoving...
If we don't want to waste the value of this monster we can raise because 1$ will most likely have a terrible field where donks might call a x3 bet and fold the flop with 3BBs. You are,however, not sly by luring every player into every hand, you do NOT want a multiway pot with QQ, more players into the hand do not mean more glory for you. 57% of the time we have overpair with QQs and 43% an ace, k or both show up. You are simply wasting a lot of value in QQs.
You should just shove, there's enough shortstacks in front of you, this is already a push or fold stage for most. You can extract more value from QQs by 3xing but it's got its own cons as mentioned, especially with some midstacks in front.
So in short
2xing bad idea
3-4xing risky idea
Shoving nash AKA never a bad idea.
That said, I shove based on my skills, some PokerKid might be able to 3x QQs comfortably here. I'm too scared.
As an answer to your questions, you are making it the correct choice for BB who has 33BBs to call about any cards. You are getting very little value even for 2 lower cards than QQ!
I don't understand why you are talking about other hands but when you talk about making setminers or w/e, you want to make pocket pairs or w/e call your shove here lol.
Try to get your cash mentality out of this phase of tournament, you are not deep, there is going to be almost no postflop play.
Last edited by LoveThee; 12-05-2011 at 03:47 AM.