You just showed that you have no understanding of the NBA. Stick to poker bro.

But what your kpi? You said the segregation was backed because you kpi showed that it was the right thing to do?

This all just blows my mind. Ok, it may not be that bad yet but, it's a step closer to slowly make it THAT BAD. As it has been pointed out, using language to mask the true intentions of actions is not new. Sites want most profit period.

If they really want to improve the "ecology" there is more than enough evidence to support the lowering of rake.

In any case, it may just be that, for the case of US facing sites, there is not that much time left to grab the monies so, lets just try to get as much as possible. Doesn't explain Party's decision though.

It's tough to try to wrap my head around all this and try to figure out what is going on. While I may not be able to put my finger on it and say aha! That's it! I know something is wrong by my observation and the overwhelming feeling of.... wtf!?!?

Cross post from the Intertops thread:

Shane

Can u please tell us if any skins have people that sit on the independent group that runs the Revoultion network? If there are, what skins are they from?

I am not going to speculate as others and will opt to wait until the "official notice". Shane hang in there. I do think that it is fair to wait until official release. Probably wasn't a good move though Shane to invoke the damage from intertops about the catalouge approach and left it as is until the official amount came. I would have said the truth, Lock will update everyone first week of March as to the details.

Now, I am confused. Are the new withdrawal options in fact going to be announced or is that not happening? I am curious to see if the withdrawal options (payouts) will come into play along with the "fair game" ?

Now, the new depositor, when would they have a "chance" to play "the grinder" anyway and lose their shirt? What is the likelihood of that ever happening?

Knowing that this was going to transpire without player awareness really adds to the already damaged credibility of the Lock brand. The only reason why it's being talked about now is because it was leaked.

Shane says that Lock was waiting to release the news around the 1st of march because they wanted to get the story straight so players would completely understand the theory behind it. (More like they wanted to keep it under wraps because of the backlash from screwing longterm regs)!

If Lock is changing the ecology of the natural flow of poker by creating this so called (fair play technology) then what else are they willing to do? The sole reason for this is for more cash flow into the site. Where will it end?

If this theory doesn't work out the way Lock anticipates what comes next? Do they just full on steal from players? How far are they willing to go with this? To strip poker of its integrity for the sake of money and then to disguise it as a way to protect new money and keep cash coming into the site is jaded enough. But what will be the next genius idea when this fails?

What other ideas are already in place now that Lock is hiding from us? They obviously have been working towards giving less experienced players an edge over more seasoned players so what are the possibilities? Sounds to me like Lock has revealed it's hold cards and they are full of it!

the next idea is "run from a superuser!"

Since there is this "New Fair TechnologY" in place to create this "3 levels", will we start seeing payouts coming faster? I really think that should be priority #1.

I would love to see that we can start seeing the decrease of wait times between the request of withdrawal and actually seeing $$ in hand.

I would hope that this new tech will bring us players steps closer to getting paid quicker.

To me, this "fair tech" would be a dead as a doornail if we see that in the coming two months, the same ole same ole.

To which I replied:

Your response:

I understand the idea behind it, your emphasis on a perceived smaller middle class than what you expect it will be, and that you and Lock believes this is the most viable method of gaining market share while protecting the recreational players. However, your reply completely misses the point and my response to kyledyle. I was simply pointing out that he, most presumably in the bottom 33%, cannot play the "Tiger Woods" of the poker world in the top 33% (I will assume that we can all agree that Tiger Woods isn't in the middle group). Note that I mean right NOW, and not his potentially evolved version of himself when/if he reaches the middle class. I thought I made it pretty clear that I was illustrating the opposing ends of the proposed Fair Play technology classification and not the middle group.

I personally disagree, as do many others. I believe that faster payouts, improved customer service and an overall organized attack at providing the best experience that U.S. players can expect to find in 2013 is the best route. But by now it's a moot point. Rarely do I believe that interfering or artificially manipulating anything is best for an environment. That goes for that analogy of a stocked fish pond as well.

FYP


EDIT: Still waiting on confirmation from your Skype people about SNG's and if they're included.

Sorry The Grinder, we can't let bad people sit against you because they lose too fast, even though they are making a voluntary decision to play against you. We are only going to let good players sit against you from now on, I'm sure you will understand that this is best for everyone (except you). Please enjoy playing on our site!
Sincerely,
Revolution Network

With a 61 page thread of suggestions of things the players want from Lock they decided to call an audible and give us something that no one has asked for. But with all of these positive responses it looks like they have proven, once again, that they know what we want better than we do. A tip of the cap to these geniuses of the industry.

very interesting

Lol that made me laugh a bit. Your right, though.

All US facing sites are scared they're about to loose a huge portion of their market share. Within the next few years majority of states will have regulated options and fish won't be playing anywhere else. All these moves are cash grabs and nothing more. Lock would love to make everyone a breakeven reg bc that's the scenario where they make the most money. They'll never have to worry about payouts then either.

This like I said before makes sense for them, but its just a cash grab none the less. If US players had options that were not making these kinds of moves they would play elsewhere, unfortunatly almost all US rooms are doing this in one way or another. It'll all stop though when we do have other options.

US guys just hope that Poker Stars will open its doors one day, and double hope that they won`t implement such idiotic systems when the day comes

So much Fail here.

QFT

Say I'm a fish. I join Lock, play in category 1, and then all of a sudden I'm winning and I'm now in category 2. Will I continue to play on a site where its segregated, or will I cash out my winnings and go to a site with a better format and more players?

they should improve their software before adding more features

And why wouldn't I destroy my winrate at .02/.04 for a week, and then go up to $2/$4 in category 1 class, and dominate?

can someone photoshop us a red flag w/ either the lock or partypoker logos. let us all change our 2+2 icons to show support of this new regime!

How is that a great analogy though?

If the top 33% are barred from the bottom 33%, then that means every single winning player cannot play against the bottom 33% (since there aren't 33% of winners on the site).

You're basically saying "don't worry, most lock players are losing players so it won't matter." Put another way: Attention Winners, you can't play the worst 33% of players because it makes the rake go away too fast for our profit targets.

This clearly is not about survival, or should not be, for a poker room or company. Party Poker makes a ton of money (their profit is public) and did this, they clearly just want to make more money and this was their way of doing so.

I mean, beginners don't face the grinder anyways, because he plays too high for a beginner to match up. This seems more about stretching the dollar of losing players so that more rake is paid before they lose that money.

In many cases that may even result in less money in the poker economy, but more money in the poker room's pocket. Less money deposited because the rate of loss is slower, but more rake for that money since the fish's winrate improves.

No, the NBA is exactly how Lock was pre segregation.

The worst players play at the lowest stakes, the best play higher. Therefore, the best 10 or 15% of players never play the worst 10-20% of players, naturally.

The NBA has become weighted towards the West naturally. There is no rule that favors the West or pushes better teams that way. A big reason why it has happened is that big market teams such as NYK have been failures in recent years, and other big markets like Chicago have been cheap. You also have savvy small market teams such as Memphis, OKC and SA in the west. But honestly, it got there naturally, not by a rule that said the top 33% of teams in the West can't play the bottom 33% of teams in the East. Also, in the NBA you play every team, not just your own side.

Btw, there are 7 losing teams in the east, and 7 losing teams in the west. I don't think your "Fair Play" (what a terrible name, this is a very controlling and unnatural regulation that is not necessary for anybody except the poker room's bottom line) technology will allow for the same amount of losing players in each tier, will it?

Very much the capitalist Revolution instead. Stop seeing things from your own perspective only.

I'm not a winning player, as mentioned earlier...but this is just insane. This goes against everything that poker is.

I will be, and I hope EVERYONE else will join me in cashing out all my money and playing other places.

+1

yeah i was about to start playing full time on revolution, and if this is implemented, i'll really have no choice but to withdraw my roll and go to another site.

i mean, seriously guys. i've been playing online for over 10 years and this is the most boneheaded move i think i've ever seen. i thought the whole merge/cashier thing was gonna take the cake this year, but jesus h christos i just can't manage to figure out what you're thinking.

maybe lock is thinking that the long term success of their site is irrelevant because US regulation is around the corner so they're just trying to take as much as possible this year and burn any chances of becoming an industry leader?

even if that's the case, i STILL can't imagine any actual poker player signing off on this. i can only guess that the group of people who made this decision have no clue what it's like to actually be a poker pro or do business in the poker world, and did not consult anyone who does.

Lock/revo, if you have any sense at all in your heads - talk to some actual poker players before you make this idiotic, incredibly self destructive decision.

Well said ChicagoRy.