Seems like ill have to create my twitter account tomorrow!

who the **** is rick pereira anyways? some of their pros are pretty lol

Can moderators move this to NVG? Would be 1000x as valuable over there and get way more views

If everyone starts twittering him, he is just going to shut down. Getting actual answers is just as important as haranguing him.

Originally Posted by MMD
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/18...final-1324048/

Link to melanie weisner's (lock pro) action for sale in the marketplace. She's not accepting lock $ as payment method.........

I used to be cool with Matt Stout. I have been hounding him every time he posts on Face Book and he is not cool with me anymore, but he has backed off promoting them so much

I'm sure he just has a sponsorship/marketing (whatever its called) contract and doesn't have insider info about Lock. He probably can't give actual answers. However, he is being paid to represent them! They sign his checks or credit his account or however its done. He's the face of his company, just like every Full Tilt pro was.

Matt stout was a dick to me in 2011 when I was asking polite questions about lock at the wsop hes going to sink with the ship for the money probably. Prove me wrong hopefully. Callisto seemed nice when I met her, hope she does the right thing along with a lot of the lock pros. Anyone who stays to the end needs to be held accountable and exiled from the poker community if lock does go under and steal player money.

In all pro's defense, they are probably bound by contract to remain silent or they could be held accountable for leaking confidential info. Plus to my knowledge, not all pros recieve the same info as others, like big name pros probably know more company intel. than the rest of the pack.

Makes no difference. Each pro is fully capable of browsing through the lock forum to get a general idea about whats really going on at lock. If they cared about the players they are attracting to the site, the convo between lock and themselves should go a little something like this:

Lock pro: Hey lock, whats up with all these allegations leading towards the company being broke and not able to pay the players?

Lock: Well the cashout times are improving, but we can't disclose any information about players funds to you, sorry.

Lock pro: Ok, well if you don't give me an explanation as to why we can't even pay ROW players in a timely manner, I'm going to stop repping your site, stop accepting my compensation, and advise players to stay away from lock poker.

I kind of feel for those honest pros caught between a rock and a hard place in this situation. If/when they realized Lock has all these problems, it's not as if there is a clear course of action to take. Publicly defaming Lock over these issues is arguably going to hurt a lot of players as it either accelerates the schedule or increases the likelihood of the site going busto. Depending on what info they are getting from Lock, they may feel like the best chance for players to get their money is for the site to continue operating successfully and that the best chance for that to happen is to keep calm and carry on as if there aren't any problems.

That being said, I don't think it is really acceptable to continue money from a company that has treated it's customers so poorly and appears to have no plan or intention of fixing that. Any effort to alert these pros to the situation and stigmatize them in the eyes of the poker community for their association with Lock is probably correct.

IMO what some of you are doing in Melanie's MP thread is completely unacceptable. Derailing a thread where someone is selling action is ridiculous, especially when she's done nothing wrong to anybody.

few of them also have a lot of $ tied up on lock and are also having ridiculous difficulties with cashout times.

A coversation like that would only happen between the more popular pros if it ever happened. Pros like Miz, obrestad, moorman, etc... I really doubt they would care if the less known pro's threaten them like that. Getting sponsorship isn't easy and I'm sure when they got the contract they were happy as it was kind of like a big break to make yourself more well-known.
I'm just saying...

https://twitter.com/jhubpoker/status/311878721483206656

They didn't have any sort of special cashout treatment at all according to the one pro that I've asked that, but that was a while ago and I haven't talked to him about Lock at all in quite some time. It was definitely after the network move though.

The only person who's ever told me they did have special cashout treatment from Lock was a backer I talk to on skype often and it was about a year ago, or maybe a little more, when they were on Merge. He had a deal where they'd wire him unlimited amounts, and then that stopped and changed drastically where he had 80k on there and they changed his limits to the standard ones without notice. I think they eventually gave him 1 big wire after that and then he was just standard from then on. That was still before the network move.

It is certainly true that they probably don't know any more than we do. And they are certainly contractually obligated to do no harm to the site's reputation (I know, I know, what reputation?). So even if they do ignore the warning signs and continue to work for Lock, exactly what good does harassing them do? They aren't the bad guys in this; just the easy targets. If there is going to be some campaign to make their lives miserable, I certainly want no part of it.

No respect anymore for ANY "Lock pros"

So your saying you have no respect for ftp pros pre-black Friday? That all the pros knew about how funds were not segregated? Because the only pro that did anything for the sake of the players after the fact was Ivey? I mean unless a pro approached you and personally convinced you to play on lock your just pointing fingers.

okay it's a bit harsh, but a sponsored player on Lock Poker can't have it both ways. The relationship has to be mutually beneficial to both parties.

The sponsorship is supposed to benefit the sponsored pro to further their playing career and benefit Lock in getting new Lock players and deposits.

If they expect to absolve themselves from responsibility or their ability to earn money gets harder because of the sponsorship, then the sponsorship is no longer beneficial to them.

They have to deal with it, they can't ignore it like the owners of Lock Poker do.

The messed up thing here is that the sponsored pro is being left to answer questions without any public statement from their bosses. It's so cowardly of Lock Poker ownership to do this to them.

You're 100% right, but it doesn't come risk free. It's not free money.

Crushing much?

LOL at the ridiculous misconstrued notion that Phillip Ivey, acted in, or gave two ****s in general about, the "sake of the players".

She's consistently avoided questions on twitter about Lock and actively advertises the site. She then goes and asks for staking from the online community. LOL She should be called out wherever possible. Keep up the white knighting though.

All of the posts in the above thread directed at Melanie Weisner have been deleted by Mike Haven whilst all the posts defending her character have been left up for all to view. A ridiculous stand to take from Mike Haven tbh but nothing surprises me any more on 2+2.

Now is the time to take it to NVG and call out the lock pros there.

It would be useful if we could get together the names of Lock Pros who actively use 2+2 like Melanie before starting the thread.

Melanie Weisner - Callisto 5

At least he did something as a gesture to all ftp player's. I'm not saying he gave a xxxx about anyone lol. Why would he? I know I wouldnt, and probably you too if you were in his shoes. Which is also probably what the lock pro's are thinking as well. So why are people in this thread trying to lench them?