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10-24-2008 , 09:53 AM

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MDMA

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Jesus christ.

10-24-2008 , 01:01 PM

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muttiah

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"Who knows?"

That's the problem with a convoluted exploitive argument based on far reaching assumptions like he'll have a 95/5 bluff/value ratio on the flop..

10-24-2008 , 03:23 PM

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ocklind

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I was just kidding about the "who knows", just a theory that his range might be skewed cuz he had a 5. Whatever, forget that part.

My ratio was also just estimations, not really that important imo.

10-24-2008 , 05:50 PM

#79

rand

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Isura

"Who knows?"

That's the problem with a convoluted exploitive argument based on far reaching assumptions like he'll have a 95/5 bluff/value ratio on the flop..

to roblin, isura, et al. isnt this the point of poker? you range, then you figure equity vs that range, you maximize profits given history circumstances...

i understand that quickly coming up with a 95/5 bluff/value ratio seems like guess work to you (which it basically is) but decisions must be based on something

if you guys were playing and the flop got three bet what would your thought process be? mine is very similar to ocklinds

10-24-2008 , 09:50 PM

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Do you honestly believe that playing theoretically sound poker (or "point of poker" as you call it) is really done through guessing your opponents range, and then trying to maximally exploit that range paired together with some loose "reads" based on a few at best remotely connected hands that more likely than not have zero bearing whatsoever on the decision at hand?

10-24-2008 , 10:27 PM

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This thread is way too long imo.

Your 300 bb deep
He opened, 3 bet the flop, doubled turn, and jammed a river hed have to expect you to just about never fold.
His range is extremely weighted towards overpairs.

Im also in the this is a terrible board to c/r camp, and also in the if your folding this river fold turn camp.

Just my two cents.

10-24-2008 , 11:36 PM

#82

lenC

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standard

10-25-2008 , 03:35 AM

#83

DrMagic

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Quote:

Originally Posted by MDMA

Isn't this exactly how the majority of players play poker?

10-25-2008 , 03:57 AM

#84

Annica

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Quote:

Originally Posted by DrMagic

Isn't this exactly how the majority of players play poker?

yes, and the majority of all players cant play poker and I include myself in that selected area.

I think checkcall every street river is the best way to gain maximum value. Raising is a little bit overrated imo.

10-25-2008 , 01:37 PM

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Jailblazers

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Quote:

Originally Posted by MDMA

can you explain what you are getting at?

10-25-2008 , 02:12 PM

#86

playforfoodz

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Quote:

Originally Posted by DrMagic

Isn't this exactly how the majority of players play poker?

that's exactly why 95% of poker players don't win @ the game. Thank God for that. (although i honestly believe mdma's wording is slightly inaccurate, but it delivers the message nonetheless)

Last edited by playforfoodz; 10-25-2008 at 02:19 PM.

10-25-2008 , 03:33 PM

#87

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Everyone who keeps saying his range is extremely weighted towards overpairs is proving why guys like me and ike etc. run the streets

10-25-2008 , 04:06 PM

#88

TheLamia

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Just out of curiosity, the people who think checkraising this flop is bad, do they think that with 100/150 bb stacks this is still bad? If it's better with 100 bb stacks doesn't become your flop checkraising range extremely narrow 400 bb deep? Just some thinks I wondered when reading this thread.

10-25-2008 , 05:12 PM

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aejones

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why the FK would you want your flop CRing range to be wide

10-25-2008 , 05:18 PM

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Rampage_Jackson

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Great original post with the setup and reads.

Why would villain ever flat TT-AA here pre given stats and how the match has progressed?

I don't get why people are that against the cr on the flop. The original post says villain is likely to view or check raises as bluffs so the cr is for value. Of course, it gives villain a chance to rebluff the flop, but why are we assuming this means we have to play for stacks?

10-25-2008 , 05:18 PM

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Rampage_Jackson

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Quote:

Originally Posted by aejones

why the FK would you want your flop CRing range to be wide

So when we hit good hands we can check raise and get paid off? What do you mean? Just means we can't bluff as much in this fashion.

10-25-2008 , 05:23 PM

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lol, you should 3-bet wide too, then we can get paid off when we 3-bet this deep- that's important!

10-25-2008 , 05:27 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Jailblazers

can you explain what you are all getting at?

!!!

10-25-2008 , 05:30 PM

#94

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Quote:

Originally Posted by aejones

lol, you should 3-bet wide too, then we can get paid off when we 3-bet this deep- that's important!

cool!

10-25-2008 , 07:34 PM

#95

muttiah

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Ignorance and sarcasm is really cool!

10-25-2008 , 09:44 PM

#96

rand

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Isura

"Who knows?"

That's the problem with a convoluted exploitive argument based on far reaching assumptions like he'll have a 95/5 bluff/value ratio on the flop..

could you explain what you meant by this and what your reasoning would be?

10-29-2008 , 12:56 AM

#97

itsarap

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to wild if they call the flop you should of checked turn

10-29-2008 , 09:05 AM

#98

2hi4me2cu

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This thread is pretty **** imo.

Too long for a start and too many personal opnions and conflicts - the longer threads are the more trashy they seem to get.

Learning players like myself will find it hard to extract and differentiate the good information from the bs.

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