This is a live 2-5-20 game
Full ring game. Villain is directly to to my right. Loose aggressive internet pro My table image is likely that of young internet kid playing rather tag occasional shown down bluff. We have played for a few weekstogether off and on and hes definitely good.

I'm under gun with ($6000.)
Villain is the live with ($5400.)

I limp under gun with 22

5 limpers

Flop is 2Q7 pot 100
BB opens for 80 decide to flat because he tries to pick up a lot of limped pots.
folds around

Turn J
He checks I make it 150 he check raises to 375 I call

River Q he makes it 600 I tank Think about the hands he could have and raise to 1350 is this a bad value spot are we only getting called by better? I usually have it in spots like this idk if were getting called by worse.
Thoughts?

Bad raise. Maybe 5 percent of the time he has AQ and decides to check-raise the turn for some reason and then call off, but that's the only hand you can beat. What value hands is he likely to check-raise the turn with? At least 2 pair. QJ most of the time or maybe Q2, Q7, 77 once in a while. KhTh or 9hTh are also very likely. I don't think there are many hands he check-raises the turn with and then value-bets the river with that can call your raise with worse.

bet/calling the turn...interesting philosophy on how to play a set on a wet board, maybe I won't try that out some day

Nothing wrong with bet/calling the turn. He's in position against a guy whose range is mostly crushed. Why not flat and let him bet the river? He's likely not folding top-2 or a huge draw anyway, so 3-betting wouldn't have changed much. Just an unlucky river most likely. That's why being in position is such a huge advantage. If you're out of position, sure, I would 3-bet it all day. If you 3-bet it, you're at least giving him a chance to fold the turn or river, where if you flat, you're getting him to bet the river 99% of the time. And he still might call a raise on the river.

I think HSNL should start posting 10nl hands where all us experts can analyze how to beat 10nl, if it's even beatable.

absolutely terrible raise, he is not calling with worse, and anything that has us beat is re-raising and we lose our raise. just flat.

You are hoping he has KQ or AQ, both possible although both would generally bet turn rather than check-raise turn.

If you are going to raise, raise to 2000 or thereabouts so it could conceivably be viewed as a play to win the pot. 1350 does not seem like it could be a bluff.

well it limps to BB who checks and leads the flop large, reps 2pair/draw but u say he's aggro/can do this with air so u call. he checks a blank turn and u bet out and get c/r small, and u decide to flat even though u have the effective 2nd nuts on a drawish board with a lot of money behind. Even if he has Q7 or somethin that might fold to a reraise there are so many cards that kill ur action: 10 hearts, 2 Qs, 2 7s, 2Js, and a 2 = 18/43 =42% of rivers which kill ur action and/or have u beat. The other 58% of the time the river is probably gonna go somethin like he bets u raise and he tanks with 2pair/folds a bluff in addition to a c/f some % of the time.

+1.

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You guys do know that villain will pretty much call any Q 100% of the time simply because of the pot odds, right? Most good players will go by pot odds first and start thinking about the other things second (unless hero has shown a tendency to vbet small and bluff big, obviously)
With a Q and none of the above reads, this is a standard call and thus a standard raise on the river as well.

I'd raise turn c/r

Never raise river...you dont get called by worse. And you make mistakes when villain decides to re-raise on a bluff. Obvious flat call on river in my opinion

i wouldnt

yuck, i would just call, don't think were getting looked up by worse and would hate to get jammed on imo.

If hes a pro, hes not paying you off btw. Stacks are so deep, lets just see a showdown and not have to risk $6,000 as opposed to $600 here.