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12-08-2008 , 11:04 AM
25/50 5-handed, 100BB eff.

CO and SB are both regulars, CO is on the tight side, SB is looser and more aggressive. He squeezes 20%, by far the highest squeeze% among all regs. I rarely play him and have no clear picture of his game in 3bet pots. BB is bad, but not superloose.


Hero on the Button with 99

CO opens 150, Hero calls, SB raises $650, BB folds, CO folds, Hero...


It seems we have an edge here, but i dont know how to exploit it. Call, 4b/f, 4b/c or fold?

(Sorry, no hand history for this one. HEM has not imported the hand, dont know why)


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Dont know much about BU und BB. They are both new to the site, both seem to be competent players. BU is 26/22, BB is 26/20 over a few hundred hands.


$10/$20 No Limit Holdem
4 players
Converted at weaktight.com

Stacks:
Hero (CO) ($2277.00)
BTN ($1940.00)
SB ($380.00)
BB ($2080.00)

Pre-flop: ($30, 4 players) Hero is CO K A
Hero raises to $60, BTN raises to $200, 1 fold, BB calls $180, Hero raises to $520...

Fine so far?

In case the Button shoves now and BB folds i guess its a standard call. But what to do in case Button folds and BB shoves?
12-08-2008 , 11:10 AM
This seems like a post i could do, so i should be the first in.

1.I think after calling with 99 and this Villain behind you this should be the scenario you want to be in. I 4bet/call here. Plz never fold or call, your hand would be sooo face up.

2. your 4bet is way too small, make it 600+ to go and never consider folding Ak after 4betting.
12-08-2008 , 11:40 AM
1- I dont think you can ever fold vs his range in this spot..You can call and play flop very aggressive/light, 4bet/call, or just push..4bet/fold is really bad since the squeezer will give you a lot less credit usually and if you 4bet and 5bet a lot wider range..

2- 4 handed and since you have AKo the BB has a lot less AA/KK combos which your are worried about, and usually he would 4bet small with AA/KK imo when OOP..So I wouldnt be concerned if he jammed..
12-08-2008 , 12:42 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by recallme
This seems like a post i could do, so i should be the first in.

1.I think after calling with 99 and this Villain behind you this should be the scenario you want to be in. I 4bet/call here. Plz never fold or call, your hand would be sooo face up.

2. your 4bet is way too small, make it 600+ to go and never consider folding Ak after 4betting.
If you make it 600+ youre comitted with any 2 (vs everything but a very tight range), thus you cant bluff that size.
12-08-2008 , 12:49 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by VPIP100
If you make it 600+ youre comitted with any 2 (vs everything but a very tight range), thus you cant bluff that size.
If you make if 520 I think it's fairly likely you're seeing a 3 way flop with a PSB left with A hi
12-08-2008 , 04:02 PM
Might as well just shove as the 4bet in this specific scenario.
12-08-2008 , 06:10 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by recallme
This seems like a post i could do, so i should be the first in.
I feel honoured

Quote:
Originally Posted by DonButtons
4bet/fold is really bad since the squeezer will give you a lot less credit usually and if you 4bet and 5bet a lot wider range..
This is my main concern. With a squeeze likely to come i will trap here pre sometimes, but after a coldcall with medium strength value hands im often not sure if they are good enough to play back/stack off. Because i dont really know how the 3bettor interprets my coldcall/4bet.

A few month ago i posted a similar spot in Midstakes, facing a coldcall/4bet. People told me that this sequence is always a premium hand. I understand that this may be a different story in highstakes with the more aggressive dynamics of the games. But lately I watched a pokervideo of the aggressively squeezing Whitelime, and when one of his opponents coldcalled/4bet versus him i was surprised to hear him say the same they told me in the midstakes forum before he put his opponent on a very strong hand. This is why i am considering 4b/f.

      
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