Hand 1:

Villain is a weaker player, and probably over aggressive. The game is being built around him. He's playing around 38/21 over a decent sample of hands. The one thing of note about him is that he loves to raise flop c-bets with a wide range, but I haven't seen much of him doing anything crazy on the turn/river.

I really don't think he's over-valuing a flush here, but I can't be 100% of course.

I don't really know what is his limping range is preflop. I'd assume he's usually raising JJ, 99 and 77. I don't really think he's limping with Jack 3.

FWIW, the river shove was instant, and I'm getting 2.2-1 on a call.


$20.00 BB (6 handed)

CO ($2000)
UTG ($3192)
Hero (BB) ($3133.20)
Button ($2057)
MP ($2029.50)
SB ($2938)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 3, 9
1 fold, MP calls $20, 3 folds, Hero checks

Flop: ($50) 3, 3, 7 (2 players)
Hero checks, MP checks

Turn: ($50) 9 (2 players)
Hero bets $40, MP calls $40

River: ($130) J (2 players)
Hero bets $105, MP raises $210, Hero raises $605, MP raises to $1969.50

Hero...

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Hand 2 is at $5-$10 but I thought it was relatively interesting.

Villian is a regular who plays higher, and we've tangled a decent bit. Nothing super-interesting as far as dynamics goes, but if I had to guess I'd say he probably thinks I'm pretty nitty on river calls.

He 3-bets 9% overall, and 14% in the SB versus a steal. I'd assume he's 3-betting AK 100% of the time, and probably 1010 most of the time. QJ is obviously a huge part of his range as far as I'm concerned. I'm not sure what he's doing with A10 pre-flop, but probably a reasonable mix of fold/call/3-bet.

Also I should note is that villain check/raises on the turn without any particularly high frequency.

Obviously my fold is pretty exploitable, but I guess I'm not entirely sure what to put him on besides QJ here, or occasionally 1010.

I'm getting 2.25-1 on the river call.

Comments on all streets appreciated.

$10.00 BB (5 handed)

Hero (Button) ($1000)
MP ($1000)
BB ($1030)
SB ($4592.02)
UTG ($325.93)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 8, 8
2 folds, Hero bets $21.80, SB calls $16.80, 1 fold

Flop: ($53.60) 8, K, 10 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $42, SB calls $42

Turn: ($137.60) A (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $110, SB raises $316, Hero calls $206

River: ($769.60) 9 (2 players)
SB raises to $4212.22 (All-In),

Hero...

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Thanks for those who take the time to give serious responses.

Harry

Hand 1: Call
Hand 2: very close; he's repping very thin however his line isn't bluffy, I would have shoved turn and I call now.

Damn, really no more responses? I thought these were relatively interesting.

wrong forum br0

Because there's no strategy here? Or because on of the hands is at $5-$10?

the former imo.

id call hand 1 and i like the fold hand 2.

1. Call

2. I also would raise all-in on the turn. As played, I'd call the river. Not knowing more about the villain, I'd guess the most likely possibilities are: AT, QJ, Jc9c.

1.fold, hes never bluffing, and all his boats beat you, unless hes randomly limping with 73s, even most fish dont reship the river here with a flush, and they most likely bet somewhere before that with a fd anyways, and check down with a hand like exactly 77, which is prob what he shows up with almost always.

2. depends on villain, can definitely see calling here some though on this runout, I think its a spot where a lot regs might turn something into bluff on turn then follow through on river.

1. River 3b sizing is too small.

2. High stakes reg, might think we're nitty on river = don't fold a set there

Hand 1: This is closer than most people think, I probably just shrug/call

Hand 2: He can have worse for value here and it seems exploitable as hell to fold a set. I call

What worse hand can the SB have for value in hand 2?

lol @ worse for value in h2

Not impossible at all, more of a "fk it, I can't check"-shove on the river though and hoping for river hero calls with A8, AT from KT, T8 and K8.

meh I thought them both over a lot. I'm pretty sure both are folds. Hand 2 for sure, Hand 1 is a bit harder to quantify, but the timing was too fast for him to be overvaluing a flush.

AT and A8 are definitely possible, I don't consider raising those for value on the turn - particularly if there are dynamics between the two of you

if you're good in the first hand it's a miracle IMO

I can't fold hand #1.. the way the hand was played, {he can't have that many better hand combos + weirdly played hand can potentially really skew a fish's perception of relative hand strengths} = i call.. It's certainly not fistpump but I think you're good 30%+ of the time..

I agree timing tells are super-important against fish like this but it's still very possible that he has what he thinks are the nuts(but are a worse hand) on the river even after your 3bet..

Another way to think about it is that there are 7 combos of boats that beat you... and I'd gather a guess that he takes this line with them (given that it's a strange pf-limp with 77/99/JJ.. and it's strange for him to allow for such a tiny pot in position after turn with 77/99..) at most 30% of the time? So ~2 combos of hands that beat you... vs. allll the flush/straight combos.. of which there are a ton that get to the river.. so even if he's only over-valuing them ~15% of the time, that will for sure be enough to make it a call.. and that's assuming he's bluffing 0% (which could be true but maybe not..)

hand 2.. I think it's really close.. if he was the BB I'd be more inclined to call (given his flatting range is a lottt wider and has a lotttt more weirdish FDs etc that might play this way..) ... and if you were anything but the BTN I'd be much more comfortable folding..

What type of player was the BB, how much do you open BTN, and do you think SB thinks he can flat QJo profitably? Seems like a bad flat if you and BB are regs.. however, obviously QJo is a ton of combos (16) and if that's in his range I think folding is the play. If not.. and you're only really losing to QJs.. I call.

I feel the opposite, hand 1 is more of a fold than hand 2. What worse is he value shipping on the river in hand 1? I can't think of anything really other than 73s and there aren't many combos of it and I'm not sure he ships it. That pot is so small on the flop people rarely make a 4k pot out of nothing.

Hand 2, the guy might have AT and just made a mistake on the turn, kind of felt like he made a bad play, but also thought on the river that if he checks better is gonna ship and he has a hard time and might get called by worse.

I prob end up calling hand 1 and calling hand 2. But I think hand 1 should be a fold.. realistically I don't know if I fold it. Hand 2 I literally snap call though.

fold 1.

2 is pretty gross, in game i'm pretty sure i just click call, prefer shipping turn though. with time to analyse it I can def see folding as an option.

calling both is w/e pennies either way. i can fold #1 but never #2. when he checks behind on 1 bad bells go off. when he flats the flop on 2 good bells go off.

Hand 1: he has to be pretty bat **** crazy to bluff giving you those odds on the river shove. I think he is more likely to have 77 then a flush or JJ by a pretty large margin. I mean I don't like folding boats but if there ever was a spot...

Hand 2: Call and make a note imo. AT, 9Tc, J9c, A9d, KT idk. I would probably just shove the turn w/ most of my range here anyway that I want to continue with.

+1, don't think it's really close.

H2, shrug call, he prob can have worse for value on the turn with two FDs down

Hi revlis,

Hand 1: He's the type who open-limps and who bluff-raises a wide range on the flop, and I think that many with those two traits also occasionally blow their brains out trying to bluff/rebluff you in spots like this. Often enough that I call for sure getting 2:1, and I like how you played it up till there.

The open-limp drastically discounts JJ and 99. People would open-limp 73s as much/more than J3s imo. A lot of guys who open-limp would not even jam J3 on the river here.

Hand 2: It sure seems like there's enough doubt to call here on the river. This one seems pretty easy tbh. His turn check-raise is really easy with either flush draw, given that he could expect you to barrel that turn card very very often. When you just call the c/r on that board with 1 PSB, don't you think you are repping a one-pair hand like AQ/AJ or a draw a lot more clearly than a set? I don't know why you'd just call the turn if it wasn't to call most rivers. I mean, I know why, but there's not enough info that you're beaten AT ALL to fold this on the turn.

It seems like so many bad things can happen by not jamming the turn that the only guys whose c/raises I'd flat are guys who I'm positive about what to do against them on the river (almost always in the calling case). AT, A8s (1 combo I know) and AK that flatted to trap a squeezer are all consistent with his play, and all of them are more likely to call the turn than bet or call the river imo.

lead flop in hand 1. 3b bigger on river as played fold to shove. Theres a difference between a live player who likes to raise cbets wide and one who can turn what already has to be somewhat of a made hand into a spaz 5b bluff shove on river here.

hand 2 call