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02-01-2012 , 02:36 AM

jrogstr

newbie

Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 34

Fairly new table, the game has been running for about 45 minutes. Nothing notable the first couple of orbits. Hero is small blind with $2400. V1 just sat down with $800 (no history). V2 is a noted pro. He's a young, aggressive, thinking, solid regular at Commerce. He's sitting with roughly $5000.

Hero is SB with 7

. V1 open limps EP. V2 raises on the button to 80. Hero calls, V1 calls. Flop is J

. Checks around. Turn is 10

. Hero leads $120. V1 calls. V2 raises to $350. Hero calls. V1 ships for $600. V2 reships for $4000. Hero?

02-01-2012 , 06:07 AM

captZEEbo

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Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 9,991

I think I call here. I expect V2 to have more good turn hands rather than made flushes and not put you on a hand that can withstand that pressure. If he had the nut flush (the most likely flush to slowplay), he should probably not ship over the 600. If he had a non-nut flush, a ship isn't as surprising now (not wanting to deal with bad rivers and just take a big pot now), but he'd be less likely to slowplay the smaller flushes on the flop IMO.

02-01-2012 , 08:16 AM

Kyle Mulhesta

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Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 289

Fold pre

You can't always make the right play in a spot like this... But I don't fold now TT and KQ are in everybody's range.

02-01-2012 , 08:55 AM

ClassicalGuitar23

grinder

Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 546

think you have to call. Stop it with fold pre.

02-01-2012 , 02:19 PM

auralex14

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Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 2,923

I'd call thinking V2 had a straight w Kh and V1 could have a wide range since we know nothing about him but....we have a flush

02-01-2012 , 03:58 PM

SNGplayer24

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yea id expect villan 2 to bet the flop with flushes/big fl draws so id def call.

02-02-2012 , 12:12 PM

absherrj

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Only flush I see everyone checking on the flop is the nuts. Hopefully you're not up against that because I think I'm calling

02-02-2012 , 01:10 PM

usernameslol

old hand

Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 1,264

call, flushes are good hands

02-02-2012 , 02:19 PM

lsdeee

adept

Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 758

get it in

02-02-2012 , 02:23 PM

#10

jrogstr

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Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 34

I read the situation after a lot of thought as V1 having a pair with the Ah and V2 having a higher flush but not the nuts. I also thought my call made it look like to V2 that I had the Ah and was drawing, and that his overshove was a protection play. Faulty thinking?

02-02-2012 , 04:58 PM

#11

thisisintense

adept

Join Date: Apr 2011 Posts: 995

faulty thinking because you put villain on such a tight range that is very egobased. you're assuming you can read villain's mind. instead, construct a real range that includes all his possible hands.

don't try to soulread him

02-02-2012 , 05:09 PM

#12

bigoiltrader

grinder

Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 466

Do you think you're a better plyr and can make enuf moves to make up for your oop after the flop v v2? If no then 3b or fld your hd pre. Snap-call that shove you have the nuts.

02-02-2012 , 05:14 PM

#13

AAismyfriend

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Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 11,841

fold pre, now call

02-02-2012 , 06:30 PM

#14

lsdeee

adept

Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 758

Quote:

Originally Posted by AAismyfriend

fold pre

you are going to make poker games worse myfriendAA - stop it! (Ditka voice)

02-02-2012 , 06:39 PM

#15

incontinence

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Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 115

fold pf you are losing money calling OOP 120x deep w/ that hand vs most players and lighting it on fire vs the villain you described.

as played its a call. nut flush doesn't play it like that he's trying to get HU w/ the other dude.

02-02-2012 , 11:52 PM

#16

XMember

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Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 491

Quote:

Originally Posted by ClassicalGuitar23

Stop it with fold pre.

are people supposed to actively give bad advice in hsnl now? seems pretty evil.

02-03-2012 , 02:11 AM

#17

663366

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 3,937

fold pre

the only reason you'd check the flop should be to c/r... you have 120bbs and flop a monster that could be worthless on later streets, so what are you waiting for??

02-03-2012 , 03:45 PM

#18

Shavedcoidpurse

grinder

Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 434

go balls deep

02-03-2012 , 03:48 PM

#19

driven1

journeyman

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how painful was it to fold the best hand?

02-03-2012 , 03:55 PM

#20

jcmoussa

veteran

Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 3,198

Fold pre +1000. I reaallly like folding big hands but I don't fold in this spot. Also lead flop, I hate the cr plan.

02-08-2012 , 01:02 AM

#21

ClassicalGuitar23

grinder

Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 546

Quote:

Originally Posted by LA'sFriendliest

are people supposed to actively give bad advice in hsnl now? seems pretty evil.

lol

02-08-2012 , 01:03 AM

#22

ClassicalGuitar23

grinder

Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 546

you are all aware the hand described contains both a seven and a five correct?

02-08-2012 , 01:21 AM

#23

XMember

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ClassicalGuitar23

lol

I truly think this is getting out of hand and has been going on for years. sklansky should put an end to it, its hurting the 2p2 brand. I understand debatable advice (thats my middle name) or even bad advice in a micro forum. but to have as much ACTIVE bad advice in a major forum such as this is a disgrace.

02-08-2012 , 02:28 AM

#24

TheComeUp

journeyman

Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 366

i like 3b pre much more than fold fwiw.

call turn.

02-08-2012 , 03:09 AM

#25

thisisintense

adept

Join Date: Apr 2011 Posts: 995

maybe classicalguitar is just bad

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