Full Tilt Poker Game #5780629443: Table Vega (heads up) - $10/$20 - No Limit Hold'em - 18:17:07 ET - 2008/03/25
Seat 1: tylerdurden725 ($3,400.75)
Seat 2: Nirzhar_K ($3,614.50)
Nirzhar_K posts the small blind of $10
tylerdurden725 posts the big blind of $20
The button is in seat #2
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Nirzhar_K [Jh Jd]
Nirzhar_K raises to $60
tylerdurden725 raises to $180
Nirzhar_K has 15 seconds left to act
Nirzhar_K raises to $423
tylerdurden725 calls $243
*** FLOP *** [Qc Js Ts]
tylerdurden725 checks
Nirzhar_K bets $634
tylerdurden725 calls $634
*** TURN *** [Qc Js Ts] [Ah]
tylerdurden725 bets $2,343.75, and is all in


??.... its probably a pokerstove question but bleh.. i dont no how to use it. anyway villain here is very agressive and is playing bad. his 3b range is very very loose consisting of a7o. and he basically calls any 4b. also he has been floating me about 80% of the times. however he has never open shoved on turn like this after he called. seems like a agressive fish but dont no.. he can have the k here alot probably with lots of mid pair hands. but what do u guys think.

If you think his range is gonna be that wide, then I would guess this is going to come out to be a call assuming that he'd push some hands with showdown value like Axss or other 2 pair hands and draws as well as bluffs. Plus, you always have outs.

You should DL pokerstove. It takes about 2 minutes and in another 5 minutes you'll know how to use it, put in some ranges and get an answer.

has anyone ever done this without the king? i dont think ive seen it

It happens all the time if you're playing certain players. I would fold or call here depending on who I was playing against and just how bad they are. The worse they are, the more likely I am to call if I think their bet represents mindless brute aggression. Obviously some donks won't make this play without the nuts so don't take my wording too literally. Whether to call or fold here is also very dependent on timing/match flow, of course.

Tell me why shoving w/out the king is a donk play by villian? Might be slightly bad but not terrible.

wow i'd never fold this

maybe that's a leak but lol

This is what I'm thinking. Depends on his level of play, because with a king I'm checking here almost 100% of the time. If we he's good enough to go by the logic that you know a donk bet is wierd and will look him up without a king, then I fold. If not, I am a little bit more inclined to call. However it's still a quite marginal call at best.

He's aware that you percieve him as a moron so he's going to make unconventional plays and he's very well aware that you will percieve it as "stupid" but he's not doing without a K for many reasons. Firstly, a King is in a large part of your range. Secondly, he would be expecting you to fold at least two pair most of the time and if he knows that you think he's crazy then he's never going to expect you to do that. He has a straight every time, especially if it's the first time he's doing this (against this opponent in this situation).

I didn't say the play itself was bad. Though, it's pretty awful imo if the OP has shown any tendency to call down somewhat light and the OP thinks villain is bad...here villain has a set so it's definitely bad. I was trying to say that I'm more inclined to call if the player is an amateur and doesn't realize that a bet like this is often interpreted, by regs, as a sign of weakness simply because a lot of bad players (esp those on tilt) tend to make reckless bets, committing lots of chips in spots where they think there opponent must fold. I definitely think decent players are much less likely to bluff in this spot than bad ones.

Trust the read and not some "I never fold sets" crap.. if he has you beat he has you beat.

But I really don't like your PF min-ish 4bet raise.

i would fold in disgust. Trust your Instincts.

that's probably why you eat bird food imo

p.s. i love you

nirzhar=new recallme?

Any history with villain? Makes all the difference imo. Default play would be to turbomuck.

whose recallme?

not much history with the villain. this was our first session (played him again later), and he was playing over laggish. if i could go back in time with the info i know about him now since i played him again, id definitely mostly likely fold there.(i called).

Yeah, I also wanted to add that I really dislike your small 4bet. Usually people 4bet small because they are facing over-pot 3Bets, and a small 4bet is just as strong. But in this situation, he is only 3x your 3Bet and in that scenario just 3x him back.

i was just 4b him kinda small to get shoved over it and just wanted to get it in. since id 4b here a similar amount with QK type hands to. that was just my standard 4b against him so i did not want to change it all of a sudden.

I swear to god Nirzar is Recallme, the posts are remarkably similar.

ok you know what, i guess i suck at posting and explaining stuff. since everyone seems to not like my posts, ill just do everyone a favor and stop posting. ill just go back to reading only and talking on aim about hands. gl to all..

but 1 last thing, who is recallme. can someone tell me who he was.

Nirzhar is actually a tough player, but he just has no desire to hold a competent discussion on the forums. Theory wise he might not be as sharp as most but he's a very good hand reader, and more than gets by at 2000nl with it.