Hi Taylor,

As per your statement stox denied being involved in any form of collusion.

Now STOX is clearly not ready to send his HH's to anyone when you requested.

Is there any reason like zeejustin stated that stox could give when asked about sending the HH files?If there is any particular reason he stated (like no way i m gonna share my HH's with bunch of 2plus2ers )i think you should post that.or Did he just bluntly stated i cant send it?

We're sorry Taylor is out of the office right now.

In all reality he probably has a team of like 8 people structuring a response to these questions. It should be done by Tuesday morning.

I mean everyone up in arms with TC's response, what were you hoping for instead?

It seems like everyone who is against it wanted him to give money back to the high stakes community for the cheating that some of his lead pros were involved in. Or did you guys want him to just dissolve his company altogether? Either option is completely laughable and obviously would never happen.

I think what was said was exactly what he needed to say. Sure it's not going to make everyone happy, but there really isn't much more he can do. A multi million dollar brand went to dust and a cheater was outed b/c of this thread. I am pretty happy with that result.

You seem to have a clear personal vendetta against CR and the people that run their site. I remember (you might not) you being the reason I even looked into getting a subscription to CR because of how high you were praising it when we were playing in a live 10/20 game at TS in Nov 2006.

Obviously there has been some sort of fallout between then and now, but without clarification it seems, to me at least, that you are just out to troll TC as hard as possible.

I can only speak for myself and I am not up in arms about his response. My point is that anything that he CHOOSES to respond to is so carefully worded and PC that it comes off like a damn lawyer wrote it for him.

Did he answer some tough questions a few pages ago. Yes. Fine. Did he also sidestep some? Yes.

The kid is a 20 something year old with a million dollar business. It is to be expected. This is a public forum though dude so you can expect his responses to be hit from all angles.

Do I personally care if 2p2 decides to resume business with them? No I don't because it makes no difference to me. Should they imo? Not yet.

I mean Cardrunners tried to make MA'ing F@#@&ING LEGAL FOR THEMSELVES! with their goddam EDU tables. Whose bright idea was that and where did it originate from? I know it never happened but I still can't get over the premise of that whole idea.

A lawyer probably did write it for him.

I have been playing poker live and betting sports for decades. I never felt compelled to join the forum before. I do once in a while pop in and read some of the topics. I do not play on line because there always seems to be a new scandal popping up. The only thing worse then the scandals is the response to them. I would love to sit in a 5-10 NL game from the comfort of my living room. Knowing full well I would be giving away an edge to the more experienced and in many cases better players. I play for fun and am a big boy losing is a potential reality every time you sit at a table. I can accept that 100%. But with the stuff that takes place I could never know with compete certainty I was not cheated. This I could not accept.
If the scandals that have hit on line poker had tougher consequences it would go a long way to not only legalizing poker but to attracting people like myself to the tables. People with plenty disposable income who would love to play regularly. Since that is not a reality I will just put a dime on Butler and watch TV.

and rightfully so

its not his response, its the reaction to his response, theres nothing he can say to make it better there should just be outrage and intolerance of this behavior, instead he was praised which is just " wtf did u even read this thread?"

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[QUOTE=grindplz;17772767] I don't see how Taylor's response is at all good or satisfying to the community. QUOTE]



Taylor doesn't have to satisfy this community nor address your questions. His business will suffer or thrive based upon the quality of the instructional videos and active participation of coaches in the forums. Poker playing consumers will determine if Cardrunners is successful or not, not the screwballs of 2+2.

Clearly the "screwballs of 2+2" make up at least a reasonable % of the "poker playing consumers" who will determine if cardrunners is successful or not.

And the question MM asked was if the community felt that it was time to restart relations with cardrunners. It seems that it would be important for taylor to answer some things to the members of 2p2 before that would happen.

nice post tho!

No, I think he was just mentored by Lee Jones and has learned to act as a CEO operating a multi-million dollar per year business should.

Look at the way CEO's reply to any scandal when they do so on 2+2 (or anywhere). Long, professional reply's that inevitably skip some of the more nasty allegations or questions. Because Taylor is 20something does not mean he should not reply in this way - that is exactly what he should do.

I mean sure, but this guy was tooting the CR horn so hard for so many years, and now he seems to genuinely HATE TC, which not many people who have met him do (from my understanding and knowledge of certain high stakes social circles). Just wondering what the deal is, as it seems to be more than hating a guy who knowingly works with/employs multiaccounters.

His response to this situation was about 10x better than his response to any other scandal involving his company. Even though this response was what absolutely should have been done at a minimum, people see it as going above and beyond. That's fine, though. Rarely do we get as close to justice in a scandal as we did here, so I definitely think the community should be at least somewhat satisfied.

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the whole poker industry has a long history of just forgiving and forgetting people that cheat. No reason to think anything is going to change with this most recent scandal.

a lot has changed since 2006, lol. And I would say I have a different perspective than most having been sorta affiliated briefly with the site, and knowing many of the people who worked for it.


and people who lie and decieve deserve worse than being "trolled" by a few posters.

well yeah but its not that he responds its that his company has a bit of a penchant for this stuff, what happens afterwards is kind of trivial

he made a business decision. live with it people. business and ethics are unfortunately two words that should never be used in the same sentence. not saying his decision/response was or wasn't totally unethical but he has to protect himself.

i dont even know what point you are trying to make, this post seems to not relate with any train of thought discussed

Has anyone else seen this commercial and immediately related it to the unwashed NVG masses infiltrating this thread, the HSNL *** thread, and the KidPoker strat threads?

Oh, bull****. Then any business you're associated with cannot be trusted, is that what you mean? Business and ethics definitely can go together, and you're just putting yourself into an unethical category of people.

wow, perfect.