(Simple?) 3-bet Scenario - Page 6 - High Stakes Poker Pot Limit and No Limit

75s is lagging the rest of the pack. 88/KJo are tied imo (88 is the much better hand, but KJo plays better in 3-bet pots). A2s is not that far behind them.

OOP KJ is slightly ahead of 88 which is slightly ahead of A2s. 75s is really far behind again.

09-20-2009 , 02:02 AM

#128

Dobinuvik

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Quote:

Originally Posted by spino1i

75s>A2s. Not many flops with A2s where you can value bet and expect to get called by worse. 75s if you flop good you have very good chance of getting some value. A2s if you flop good it's a lot less likely to get paid.

09-21-2009 , 06:34 PM

#129

luegofuego

Pooh-Bah

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hehe funny read in this thread. cant imagine there not being a consensus if u ask ppl today.

09-23-2009 , 02:30 PM

#130

g0lfa

journeyman

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seems like 88 has to be the winner considering its least likely to be dominated and has the most showdown value. KJ is probably next

09-25-2009 , 05:34 AM

#131

zedisol

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Quote:

Originally Posted by king_of_drafts

75s since it seems most capable of flopping a hand you can bet/call or b/f without much thought. A2s obv has more flops that give it a lotta showdown value, so that is a close second.

KJo rarely flops something you are comfortable with, 88 doesn't have good redraws and the deception you get from reraising pre isn't worth it at 100 bbs.

this, thought i'd probably rank a/2s first

09-25-2009 , 06:53 AM

#132

Happystacka

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People saying by 3betting A2ss you can't valuebet any ace well.
Errrr we have the same problem with KJ, no?

12-22-2009 , 02:38 AM

#133

riverspecialist

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Poker_is_Hard

No jman responds.

I read the whole thread looking forward to his follow up.

And to make matter worse in his famous/awsome well at some point he says

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jman28

I mean, if I said I think about the game the best, that would sound arrogant. So I won't say that.

I will say that I think you should give me "Philosopher of Poker"

... I wrote .... posts like this one.

The link being to this thread. but as far as i can tell a lot of the debate in the thread is over what question he is even asking! If a random fish started the a thread that seemed to be asking something stupid, but when read closely is a little interesting, i doubt they would be well recieved.

but when theres no follow up, i always assume it was aborted (relevant word choice)

p.s. Im a jman bandwagoner, no hates

03-05-2011 , 12:55 AM

#134

ship

adept

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bbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbump

03-05-2011 , 02:44 AM

#135

freddy10-4

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kj> 88 > etc

03-07-2011 , 06:33 PM

#136

too eazy

Carpal \'Tunnel

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i like how in 2007 betsizing of 175 to 625 was standard

03-09-2011 , 03:55 PM

#137

PokerPrince

old hand

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Quote:

Originally Posted by too eazy

i like how in 2007 betsizing of 175 to 625 was standard

lol, that was the first thing I noticed.

03-10-2011 , 05:54 AM

#138

supfoolio

journeyman

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doesnt it feel like as if we used to all play with more than 100bbs?

03-10-2011 , 11:03 AM

#139

vinivici9586

Breakfast?

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88 > 75s > KJo > A2s IP

88 > A2s > 75s > KJo OOP

09-21-2011 , 01:58 AM

#140

eroock

centurion

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jlocdog

Quote:

Originally Posted by fslexcduck

i've been having trouble putting hijack on a good range. what range do you think many opponents are calling with there OOP (say mean range)

We can start with any PP, all suited broadways, suited A's down to A8, AK-ATo,T9s-76s.

You can tighten or loosen it when comparing your play and image into the equation. So if you think you're viewed as a LAGier player you can add some more SC's/A's, blah blah blah...

Against that range atleast, 88 has 53% equity. KJo has 41%. A2s has 38%. 75s has 35%.

I am suprised to see that rules from lower stakes don't seem to apply here, meaning that you shouldn't call a 3bet HU OOP with pocket pairs if only 100BB deep. Is it for balance? Does it make up for the lack of implied odds? Anybody care to explain?

Generally I would have expected more talk about villains range here as it may help evaluating the strength of our own holding in this spot, no?

02-11-2012 , 06:10 PM

#141

Zrebna

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Quote:

Originally Posted by vinivici9586

88 > 75s > KJo > A2s IP

88 > A2s > 75s > KJo OOP

IP: 88 > 75s> KJo > A2s

OOP: KJo > 88 > 75s > A2s

Kinda interesting that Galfond has not come back one time in his own thread though ppl have requested it.

02-22-2012 , 11:10 PM

#142

mistanator

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Quote:

Originally Posted by FoxwoodsFiend

god mode must be really nice.

LMFAO

02-23-2012 , 01:38 AM

#143

BoredAtheist

grinder

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88 > 75s > KJo > A2s

Our gods have abandoned us. Still we worship at their shrines.

03-07-2012 , 06:13 AM

#144

kerwinty

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kjo>88>75s>A2s

08-10-2012 , 08:58 PM

#145

altherac

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Very interesting thread, blows my mind that such opposite answers make sense (well, most of them).

Anyway 5 years later, still waiting for Phil's feeling about his thread ^^

10-14-2012 , 02:49 AM

#146

GreenGrinder420

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Good thread, awesome that Jman didn't post what he thought. What a sneaky way of getting some info out of your opponets.

10-14-2012 , 03:46 AM

#147

RGyoho

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Jman28

I actually am very unsure about this. My initial thoughts were different than many of the responses from posters who I respect a lot.

I would guess, 88, 75s, KJo, A2s

He said that in his well.

10-14-2012 , 06:06 AM

#148

GreenGrinder420

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Quote:

Originally Posted by RGyoho

He said that in his well.

I some how missed that reading through the million pages of that awesome thread. Thanks for pointing it out to me.

10-20-2012 , 01:12 AM

#149

hehateme315

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Zrebna

IP: 88 > 75s> KJo > A2s

OOP: KJo > 88 > 75s > A2s

Kinda interesting that Galfond has not come back one time in his own thread though ppl have requested it.

galfond is too bigtime for 2p2

10-20-2012 , 02:32 PM

#150

RGyoho

centurion

Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 124

Quote:

Originally Posted by GreenGrinder420

I some how missed that reading through the million pages of that awesome thread. Thanks for pointing it out to me.

No problem at all, it is an awesome thread, this post was kind of undercover in there, only reason I spotted it since I've been studying the whole thread recently.

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