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September HSNL **** Thread PART TWO -- HU Challenges: WCG vs Sauce and Man vs Machine September HSNL **** Thread PART TWO -- HU Challenges: WCG vs Sauce and Man vs Machine

09-25-2013 , 11:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Pasterbator
You guys are usually good for recommendations so I'm back for more.

I want to start reading again. I'm open to good poker books, but mainly looking to learn about people, the mind and other similarly interesting topics.

Has anyone read any of the following:

"The Mental Game of Poker" by Jared Tendler
"Blink" by Malcolm Gladwell (I'm sure I've seen this mentioned in this thread before)
"The Art of Learning" Josh Waitzken

All recommendations are appreciated. Thanks guys!
I'm pretty interested in these things aswell. I read Jared Tendlers book and liked it alot (it's pretty poker specific of course), explains the adult learning model very well which is importance for understanding diffrent forms of tilt (not so much about the smash-the-keyboad-type tilt as you might think but much more about all the emotions we feel when dealing with poker or variance in general).
09-25-2013 , 01:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Ansky
Is there any chance johnny blue is worth the money?
I believe so it's an excellent choice if you are in the mood for a casual drink that you would like to enjoy. However if you are just looking to get drunk there are obviously cheaper options available.
09-25-2013 , 04:44 PM
^Please post a link to a larger version of your avatar.

ty
09-25-2013 , 05:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Pasterbator
"Blink" by Malcolm Gladwell (I'm sure I've seen this mentioned in this thread before)
Careful with Gladwell IMO. His stuff is not completely junk but tends towards over simplification and jumping to exciting conclusions.

Search the web a bit before reading.
09-25-2013 , 06:45 PM
Jay Ingram wrote several interesting books on speech, the mind, consciousness, etc.

He was also a radio and TV science guy so his material tends to be accessible rather than overly technical. (Though still technical.)
09-25-2013 , 08:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Nice_2_Beat_U
I'm pretty interested in these things aswell. I read Jared Tendlers book and liked it alot (it's pretty poker specific of course), explains the adult learning model very well which is importance for understanding diffrent forms of tilt (not so much about the smash-the-keyboad-type tilt as you might think but much more about all the emotions we feel when dealing with poker or variance in general).
The Art of learning is by far the best of the 3 imo.
09-26-2013 , 01:25 AM
Cool thanks guys. I think I'm going to start with the art of learning. Appreciate all the recs!
09-26-2013 , 03:56 PM
Pasterbator, I enjoyed Mastery

i hunted feral hogs from a helicopter wielding an AR-15 last week, that was fun. brought 4 back and going to eat them tonight at a feast
09-26-2013 , 05:43 PM
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Originally Posted by riverboatking
jack daniels honey whiskey is ridic good. is that considered girly?
literally the only shot i've ever enjoyed sipping
09-26-2013 , 06:05 PM
listened some to mastery, and meh, cant say I like robert greene much esp with his other books. Art of power had some good ideas but has some awful/unethical ones and art of seduction is fairly useless...
09-26-2013 , 11:37 PM
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Originally Posted by KRANTZ
Pasterbator, I enjoyed Mastery

i hunted feral hogs from a helicopter wielding an AR-15 last week, that was fun. brought 4 back and going to eat them tonight at a feast
haha that's awesome.

Also, I just started the art of learning but I'm going to make that #2. Looks interesting. tyty
09-27-2013 , 01:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Rant
Careful with Gladwell IMO. His stuff is not completely junk but tends towards over simplification and jumping to exciting conclusions.

Search the web a bit before reading.
I read Outliers and remember having thinking that. I wish I could remember a good example, but my impression was that his arguments seemed to follow this progression:

Interesting fact
Interesting fact
Interesting fact
Totally unsupported outrageous conclusion
09-27-2013 , 01:16 AM
This is a good critique of Gladwell along those lines http://www.powells.com/review/2009_01_29.html
09-27-2013 , 01:32 AM
i remember in "Tipping Point," him using evidence to support a conclusion that was basically proven wrong in the 2nd Freakonomics regarding New York crime :P

those books were quite interesting actually
09-27-2013 , 01:45 AM
Fwiw I think Gladwell gets a lot of hate because he`s been so successful, meaning naturally thousands of people will try to pick him apart. His arguments in my opinion are not flawless but mostly on point, and very readable which is the main reason he`s done so well (you can sell a lot of books if people like your writing).
09-27-2013 , 06:35 AM
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Originally Posted by KRANTZ
i hunted feral hogs from a helicopter wielding an AR-15 last week, that was fun. brought 4 back and going to eat them tonight at a feast
Wow, what a tease. TR plz....
09-27-2013 , 11:23 AM
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Originally Posted by ike
I read Outliers and remember having thinking that. I wish I could remember a good example, but my impression was that his arguments seemed to follow this progression:

Interesting fact
Interesting fact
Interesting fact
Totally unsupported outrageous conclusion
yeah, indeed

the 10.000hr "rule" is a pretty good example
09-27-2013 , 06:37 PM
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Originally Posted by jungleman
i remember in "Tipping Point," him using evidence to support a conclusion that was basically proven wrong in the 2nd Freakonomics regarding New York crime :P

those books were quite interesting actually
This http://www.amazon.com/The-User-Illus.../dp/0140230122 is one of the books that really got me going.

Otherwise I like watching Yale lectures on youtube (they go through all cool subjects), or doing some math the fun way at khanacademy.org. TED.com is obviously also a nice resource where you can find anything you're interested in.
09-28-2013 , 06:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Pasterbator
You guys are usually good for recommendations so I'm back for more.

I want to start reading again. I'm open to good poker books, but mainly looking to learn about people, the mind and other similarly interesting topics.

...
http://tetw.org/
09-28-2013 , 08:41 PM
I haven't seen much discussion about this, but as of right now, red pros aren't eligible for remission. None of them got emails with their claim number and whatnot.

This is a quote from an email Scneids posted in the PL forum:

"Based on data supplied to us by FTP you have been identified as a pro player of FTP and will not be eligible to participate in this remission process.

Regards,

Claims Administrator"

Russ Fox advised that the DOJ just lumped everything into one basket in terms of full tilt employees, and thats why red pros are ineligible. He said getting a lawyer familiar with the remissions process could help.

I was not a red pro, but have significant interest in the matter. Surely many of the red pros have a bunch locked up and are getting royally screwed. Banding/working together with a lawyer and the PPA seems like moves that should be made.

Thoughts?
09-28-2013 , 09:21 PM
not letting random red pros like the cardrunners guys get their balances seems like the most absurd thing ever. what possible justification could they possibly have for that?
seems like outright theft of what must be tens of millions of dollars.
09-28-2013 , 09:34 PM
FTP was a criminal enterprise. Red pros were employed by the criminal enterprise, and recieved probably millions of dollars in hourly payments for playing on the site as well as increased rakeback. In return, they were promoting the illegal site to US facing players. Seems like they are just trying to claw back anything they can. Unfortunate if you are the guy with 10k in ftp payments lifetime and 100k account balance, but I don't think you could really expect to get your FTP incentives after working as an employee of the site. I do feel a lot of sympathy for them and think the DOJ should come to a more fair solution with them, but it's far from outright theft.
09-28-2013 , 10:43 PM
Zugwat, there are also going to be a fair number of players like myself who are going to have to fight the affiliate tag. I made ~$2400 from a banner ad on my blog and GCG is telling me that I am not eligible for remission despite having nearly 200k in my FTP account. There are others in the nvg thread who were tagged as an affiliate for a refer a friend promo. I think all of us have a similar gripe/argument that might need legal representation.
09-28-2013 , 10:56 PM
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Originally Posted by tongni
FTP was a criminal enterprise. Red pros were employed by the criminal enterprise, and recieved probably millions of dollars in hourly payments for playing on the site as well as increased rakeback. In return, they were promoting the illegal site to US facing players. Seems like they are just trying to claw back anything they can. Unfortunate if you are the guy with 10k in ftp payments lifetime and 100k account balance, but I don't think you could really expect to get your FTP incentives after working as an employee of the site. I do feel a lot of sympathy for them and think the DOJ should come to a more fair solution with them, but it's far from outright theft.
Nope, pretty much outright theft, random red pros clearly had nothing to do with the mess at ftp and it was considered that offering online poker in the US was not illegal by a lot of lawyers so it's not like they could say they were definitely breaking the law. That's not even going into the whole point of it being an "illegal" (unconstitutional w/e) law etc. Regardless though, this is like withholding the bank account of a low level bank employee if the people who run it do something illegal and it goes bust after the new buyers pay you the money to give to the employee for their balance. Pokerstars gave the DOJ the money to pay players back. If they decide to then just keep some of that money for some BS reason then it is outright theft imo. At the very worst they should give it back to pokerstars, if they just keep it then it is a really thin argument to say it isn't stealing.
09-28-2013 , 11:09 PM
I feel very sorry for anyone in that situation. It seems ridiculous to not at least pay deposits + profits (excluding payments from FTP). Definitely hope you guys get a good lawyer and get made whole. Agree it is complete theft.

      
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