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River value bluff turned into bluff catcher 5/10 2.1k Deep River value bluff turned into bluff catcher 5/10 2.1k Deep

08-09-2008 , 08:09 PM
Poker Stars $5/$10 No Limit Hold'em - 2 players
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BTN/SB: $2116.50
Hero (BB): $4092.50

Pre Flop: Hero is BB with A 9
BTN/SB raises to $30, Hero calls $20

Flop: ($60.00) 5 7 6 (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN/SB bets $50, Hero raises to $170, BTN/SB calls $120

Turn: ($400.00) 2 (2 players)
Hero bets $325, BTN/SB calls $325

River: ($1050.00) A (2 players)
Hero bets $775, BTN/SB raises to $1591.50 all in, Hero ???

Villain is a standard TAG but pretty ABC haven't seen anything too crazy outa him but he has jammed the river a few times now.
My image is a bit LAGGY but a competent player, im up a few buyins and have the momentum. Villain could very well be a bit tilted.

Last edited by Huggy; 08-09-2008 at 08:24 PM.
08-09-2008 , 08:36 PM
follllllld
08-09-2008 , 08:47 PM
well you only have to be good like 20% here. normally this is snap fold but i'd make crying call cause villain is tilted and cause he has jammed a couple times. i just really wanna call cause of pot odds and recent history. maybe i'm wrong though
08-09-2008 , 09:00 PM
Your line looks extremely strong and he should know he is offering you great pot odds. Also, ABC TAGs aren't pulling this line with a 78 typeish hand enough to be profitable.

I think he has a 68cc or A7 type hand here a lot.
08-09-2008 , 09:10 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lavitz
Your line looks extremely strong and he should know he is offering you great pot odds. Also, ABC TAGs aren't pulling this line with a 78 typeish hand enough to be profitable.

I think he has a 68cc or A7 type hand here a lot.
He cant shove A7 for value.
08-09-2008 , 09:32 PM
one more thing is that your line is so aggressive that it might tilt an already tilted opponent who likes to shove into bluffshoving (probably not likely, but it only needs to be true like 19% of the time!)
08-09-2008 , 10:38 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Huggy
He cant shove A7 for value.
Why not? I would.
08-10-2008 , 12:01 AM
Results?
08-10-2008 , 12:23 AM
Let's be clear about one thing, there is zero 'bluff' in your value bluff.
08-10-2008 , 12:26 AM
what worse hand were you hoping to call when you bet river?
08-10-2008 , 02:46 AM
isn't check raising this flop pretty silly?
08-10-2008 , 02:55 AM
i don't think so with 12 outs to the nuts and some FE with a large c/r. we can get villain off of 5x and 6x, which currently beat us. my main issue is river--i don't see what worse hands are calling or what better hands are folding when we bet
08-10-2008 , 03:11 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by PartyGirlUK
Let's be clear about one thing, there is zero 'bluff' in your value bluff.
Can't put it any better than this. Now you fold, especially vs. the player described.
08-10-2008 , 05:37 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by cero_z
Can't put it any better than this. Now you fold, especially vs. the player described.
You don't think I can make 2 pair fold to a triple barrel x% of the time?
08-10-2008 , 05:41 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Huggy
You don't think I can make 2 pair fold to a triple barrel x% of the time?
yea where 0<x<1
08-10-2008 , 05:48 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Digs
yea where 0<x<1
2 pair is only a bluff catcher.
08-10-2008 , 10:53 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Huggy
You don't think I can make 2 pair fold to a triple barrel x% of the time?
Youre not going to be making two pairs fold much on this board at all. The flush draw bricked and so did every pair/straight draw type hand which pretty much make up a huge part of your range.

Also, why on earth do you think he can't be shoving A7 for value? I think it's a bit standard to c/shove river if he got there like this with A7.
08-10-2008 , 01:12 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by popoko42
i don't think so with 12 outs to the nuts and some FE with a large c/r. we can get villain off of 5x and 6x, which currently beat us. my main issue is river--i don't see what worse hands are calling or what better hands are folding when we bet
am I missing 4 outs somewhere?
08-10-2008 , 02:39 PM
He won't be folding 2 pr firstly because people don't fold 2 pairs when there aren't 4 straights or 4 flushes and secondly because if he has 2 pair on the turn he's gonna be shipping it in rather than calling, so the only 2 pair he can have is A7 and gl trying to get him off that.
08-10-2008 , 02:56 PM
I'd bet/call the flop... then try to check raise the turn
08-10-2008 , 03:12 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by isipil
am I missing 4 outs somewhere?
gut shot...
08-10-2008 , 03:13 PM
Quote:
am I missing 4 outs somewhere?
9 NFD outs + 3 gutshot outs (yes i know that its not exactly the nut str8 if an 8 comes but its basically the nuts)
08-12-2008 , 06:03 PM
Isnt villains range here pretty weak in that str8s will try and rasie the flop or turn, so that stacks can get in by the river. Also some % of the time I think villain will 3 bet 2pair and sets on the flop or turn.

Where as my range is very polarised in that I either has a missed draw a straight/set/ 2 pair a % of the time.
08-12-2008 , 06:30 PM
its so easy for you to have a flush or a straight...he is not bluffing.
08-13-2008 , 04:40 AM
after i bet this river, my mouse is hovering around the fold button. he can 100% shove A7 here. and i like a river c/c too. sometimes c/f if you have a read o n his betsizing or have a v bet feeling when he pots it or whatever. but a bet here is fine too.

      
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