Party Poker, $10/$20 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
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BB: $2,876
UTG: $9,260
Hero (MP): $9,059
CO: $3,012
BTN: $4,435
SB: $4,138.66

Pre-Flop: Q Q dealt to Hero (MP)
UTG folds, Hero raises to $60, CO calls $60, BTN raises to $222, 2 folds, Hero raises to $540, CO folds, BTN raises to $1,050, Hero ???

villain takes much time und 5bets me. he seems to 3bet a bunch. and befor that in the same session he gets it in bad against me with JJ for 125BB. villain is traheho1.

correct me if i'm wrong but this looks like a really easy fold

Is he expecting you to resqueeze here? How did you play vs his 3bets lately?
I think you can fold here, his raise size seems like he wants to induce a shove. I think i would like to have AK here if i shove, because i take out combinations of KK+ and he`s more likely to have QQ, which he might fold.

Without more history fold>call>6bet

ur wrong?

wow, you had QQ here? I was at the table for this hand. If your going to 4 bet fold are we not better off calling and playing postflop?

People don't expect you to 4 bet this hand preflop this deep. They expect you to 4 bet aces, kings, or air. After you fourbet, you need to consider this and act accordingly.

James

Yeah, I don't like the 4bet that much, hes folding hands that you have dominated, and when he raises you're behind his range and don't know what to do.

i agree with james here. why are you 4-betting if you don't know how to respond to a 5-bet? i think you are better off calling PF and just playing post flop. there is nothing wrong with doing that here, ya know....

It's not that you don't know how to respond to a 5-bet. Your options are flatting the 3-bet or getting it in PF and 4-bet/folding QQ isn't in my playbook and shouldn't be in yours.

He's got KK/AA and is trying to inflate the pot so he can shove flop. Muck this.


My standard line is just call the 3-bet here though, if you aren't comfortable getting this in 200bb deep there is no reason to 4-bet. You essentially turn your hand into a bluff at that point and QQ is much too strong a hand for that.


I don't play this high though and this is party so who knows, shove and embrace variance maybe.

well, i assumed that he was asking what to do after the 5-bet shove (ie- he didn't know what to do after he 4-bet). I agree that you shouldn't really 4-bet/fold here...

its a good play if you know he 5bets bluffs here given crazy dynamics, or if he calls 4bets too light. so when he 5bets here he either calls 4bets too light and never 5bets light, which will make 4bet folding a good play here , and not worth posting. Or he 5bets you light and then you call and stack off on a ton of flops postflops with the right dynamic and reads on his postflop game, or neither is true and you 5bet and are clueless, which is super ***** terrible, and together with the fact taht you gave us like zero reads or game dynamics kinda shows your lack of understanding this game imo.

yea don't 4bet if you're not getting in

is villain "the traheho" or just some impostor?

villain is "the traheho" i think

pretty sure its someone else, but yea folding to the 5bet.

villain is the real traheho fyi

I see nothing wrong with 4betting this hand, as a good, aggressive player on the BTN should be 3betting a pretty wide range as you are both deep, he has position on you, and he can squeeze the cutoff also. In addition, he is likely calling your 4bet quite liberally for the same reasons. It seems very results orientated to suggest your 4bet was bad in this spot.

Nonetheless, most players will 4bet AA,KK,maybe AK,some air and flat call QQ,JJ,1010 etc. Assuming he knows this, it comes down to your reads/history as to whether he will open up his 5bet range in response to your (perceived) narrow range. If he does, i think you can profitably call and c/r alot of boards (again assuming his c-bets with a certain frequency etc)

Frankly, though, posting this without any reads is sort of useless

smells like aces, i'd fold

If his current range is QQ+/maybe AKs and his calling range is KK+, you should fold:

ALL IN Expert - Hand Analysis:

Situation:
Pot Size: 1620 | To Call: 510 | Shove Amount: 3385
Villain Current Range: Full: QQ+ | Half: AKs
Villain Calling Range: KK+

Profitable Hands:
AA,AKs

EV for QQ = (0.2*1620)+(1-0.2)*(0.1825905*(1620+510+2*3385)-(510+3385)) = -1491.96

If you add a few more hands to his 5-bet range because of the dynamics that might change the situation, but as is, QQ does terribly vs his range.

without question: if you do not know unequivocally that (a) you can fold to a reraise if he five-bets or (b) that you can play for stacks if he five bets, then four betting this hand is very very bad.

so what's the plan if we flat the 3Bet here?

4 betting and folding to a 5 bet is fine here IMO, unless you 4 bet so often that he will be 5 bet bluffing you specifically. I'll assume this isn't the case.

Fold>>>>Call>>>>6bet

if you flat the 3 bet here, I would be c/r most flops without an A or K in them.

I'm not exactly inclined to plan anything more than that oop vs a good reg 200+ bbs deep with only 25bbs in the pot.

ok I don't mind this too much but it does allow our opponent to fold anything that isn't KK+/2Pair worthy+ and thus play pretty much perfectly.

you dont have the image to be 4 bet calling this off this deep. trah is pretty nuts, but hes not stupid. Since I dont want to call this off if im you, i flat the 3 bet.