I was told this story from a friend, I may be mixing up some details...

My friend was in a house for WSOP with some other poker guys. One of his housemates had become close with someone who claimed to be "Christiano Ronaldo", and I guess they had skype phone conferences involving the housemate, "CR", and Patrik. They had done this frequently I guess, and it was only a voice conference typically, but I guess one day "CR" misclicked and accidentally put on the webcam. I'm not sure if PA saw it, but my friend's housemate saw it apparently, and the guy looked nothing like CR. So it was definitely not him.

But I think I was told that the guy never ever tried to scam any money or anything.

hrm cr7 is only 40 bb deep the whole time. pretty weird. would be amazed if this was a coaching session obviously. surprised patrik is playing 40 bb deep at 25/50. who knows, maybe its just clear that it is ronaldo and antonius wanted to play him for kicks.

it looks like in the has antonius is showing every hand.

edit now they are 70 bb deep.

edit to add- just read last post, sounds like they are just friends.

PTR cannot even find -basshunter- on party, but there is a player with the same SN on ongame.
He has played 788 hands vs humanity2 though, so it is very unlikely that both of them belong to Jose

Also: SB VPIP/BB VPIP/ 3BET for:
-basshunter- 82/38/32
humanity2 76/35/15

This is for 15k+ hand sample for 10/20 and 25/50 hu respecitvely.
Huge disparity in 3bet frequency means it cannot be the same person.
Also 4bet is 4% for bass and 8 for humanity.
haven't checked other stats, because above seems like conclusive proof they are different person.

because it was Girah and they tricked the railbirds?

Can you check aAzarenka on Party?

I think that's pretty fair I guess. I'd been biting my tongue and implying it a bit but at this point from skimming things I get a sense along the lines of:

Only shorthanded, no HU (but AFAIK party doesnt offer HU above 5/10).Almost all of 33k hand sameple is 5/10 (28k hands).
33/27/13(3bet), looks like loose reg.

I will take your word for it, since I cannot read that page.

So it appears as if the only confirmed/highly likely known Girah accounts right now are Toshisan, Girahh, and probably the Dollarman and Sauron1989 accounts (since I think the whole "rich friend" part of his apology is ridiculously unbelievable).

If anyone uncovers any other confirmed accounts, I believe they should be posted ASAP. But I will otherwise remove myself from the HS thread and resume lurking.

from haseebs blog: "3) There were obviously TONS of times that both he, I, and Jungle were playing online poker simultaneously"

any idea what accounts he was playing under? the dogishead account and haseeb qureshi have logged incredibly few hands recently

tableratings is apparently not reliable on ipoker and even less so with PLO. anyone log any PLO hands versus the TOSHISAN account?

His activity starts on 1/27/2011, 5 days after the "Looking for Prodigy" post (1/22/2011) and 3 days after JM backed the story. He continues to play although Jose implied his party acct was closed.

They dont track PLO on ipoker at all.

Yeah this is what im trying to understand.
Screenshot claims he played 800k+ hands.

Girahh played 54k hands, TOSHISAN 3k (and this is as of AUG 2011, it was obv less at the time he made that post).
Thats ~50k hands, where is remaining 750k???

Either they don't exist, he stole/bought them and doctored the records, or they are under account names that he never revealed, or at least never revealed to anyone who has outted them in this or any other thread.

Any info on this guys play? soengazi484 on prima Levels would be nice.
I think there is collusion with this account.

Fwiw, cr7sete was playing as tails19 I think it was before changing to the former. PA would play tails at 25/50 as well and both had the same erratic table hopping tendencies. Just incase anyone recognizees the other name I thought I would throw it out there.

Also was on group Skype a couple times with friends and the supposed Ronaldo and we all pretty much came to the conclusion it was very unlikely to be him. Heard his voice on Skype briefly and listened to a Ronaldo interview and it didn't really sound too much like him either, maybe a little.

He mentioned playing on betfair. This site is not tracked on PTR, but I can't imagine somebody playing 500k+ hands there, given how God awful old betfair software used to be.

Maybe JM, DIH and guys from the study group find more SN's and post them soon.

About Ronaldo. As far as I know the cr7 acc is a proven scammer and he also tricked Antonius in the past.
The only reason why Antonius would play him is because he tought he was dealing with the real Ronaldo.
He also stole 5k from a German player as far as I know.
So this discussion should only be about weather or not he could have worked with Girah or could be Girah.
I think the likelyhood is low, but at the same time I don't know many Portugese players so we might as well invest it while beeing at it.
Just trying to find ppl to deny / add information.
think I will post my thoughts on the matter tomorrow, as I have a few ideas about the whole thing but no real proof either.

What I was thinking right now is:
The two hands posted by Girah that were also posted on Pokerstrategy...
They are just showing random stacksizes/player names, and could have been played on any site by basically any player. As there is no certificate for these HH, he could have come up with them by himself and doctored scenarios that were unorthodox and make him look smart and/or he saw these hands from someone else and changed them. It seems unlikely but if he only pretended to be a sick good player then there is little chance he actually played 50/100 deepstacked.
(also someone mentioned that he posted a hand to sauce that was doctored a little bit)

One other question that is unanswered:
He attends an european english speaking school that is supposed to be tougher than normal Portugese schools. He said that he was a top5 student and probably was studying some. Then he did a lot of poker theory, like 2-3hours a day, plus he finished his soccer career and played poker and also swam 2hours a day and went to the gym. Furthermore he has a social life and a girlfriend and barely played on FT/Stars and eurosites are less good to multitable.
Now I know that some people can play 80k hands a month or even more but they play 16 tables and are oftentimes lacking any social life whatsoever so how exactly did he manage to play 800k hands and with such a winrate ? I think if you put these pieces together it seems extremely unlikely that he ever was a big winner tbh.

But I just throw together a few information and common sense so this could be wrong.
Him beeing a pathological liar and narcissist underlines my theory tho.

One more thing about his accounts and screennames.
He seemed extremely focused on being portrayed as this sick good player with high winrate to get sponsorship deals, coaching deals, fame, respect etc pp. so I think it would have been very natural for him to out a few of his SN to close friends or even to those in the HU-theory group but he never mentioned SN as of my knowledge. Even Sauce and Jungleman only saw doctored HH's or theoretical questions, so basically nobody ever saw him play and just bought into the hype. The logical reason for me is there were no Accounts or at least not winning/high sample sizes ones and he always told ppl they could watch him and he would watch them from what I heard but who really watched him play under anything than his Girah SN on Lockpoker?

fisheye:
i do not believe for one second that girah played 800k hands, and with that win rate.

here are some points to dwell on:
1. the username 'LookingForProdigy' is Jose. This has been confirmed.

2. LookingForProdigy said that eduduplo was Jose. This is not the case. On top of that, that account was playing today. It is pretty clear this account is being used by someone besides Jose. The only way i imagine Jose saying it was him is if he knew for sure that someone wouldn't just come out and say 'thats bull**** buddy, thats me and i can prove it right now'.

3. haseeb has basically disappeared from the poker world but says 'there are literally tonnes of times me girah and jungleman are all playing at the same time'. oh really? what usernames are you playing under... on what sites? because he's never playing on stars or ftp.

4. Haseeb cannot play on Euro sites as a US citizen.

5. Jose said he was eduduplo!!! And that it is pretty clearly not. The account was playing in the evening in London and Haseeb is nowhere to be seen in this thread. It could certainly be him.

6. Jose has a beast winrate in his graph, an impossible to play number of hands, and is claiming to be eduduplo who is beating down 50/100 nl hu like a boss.

CONCLUSION: very likely edudplo's hhs are included in Joses graph. JOSE SAID HE WAS EDUDPLO ON THE LookingForProdigy ACCOUNT HIMSELF!!!!! HE ACTUALLY SAID HE WAS THIS PERSON. IT WOULD MAKE SENSE FOR HIM TO HAVE THE HISTORIES IF HE IS THIS PERSON. Where did he get all those HHs from!?

Possible conjecture: Haseeb organized a deal with Jose in which Haseeb would get to play on Joses euro accounts, analyze his hand histories, and have a sweet ass graph; Haseeb would get to play on Euro sites. Haseeb would stake and coach him. They would get great sponsorship for Jose, Haseeb would be his agent. Haseeb would play the euro sites. etc.

This is all very convoluted but some things are emerging...

I'm not exactly sure what to believe. I do have a few things I wanted to give my input on.

I do think Girah was a good player. Not a meaningful sample but the only true hands we do have is him beating 5/10 6max for 10bb/100 over 50k hands on merge.

It is not uncommon for someone to have such a small % of themselves at nosebleeds. It is a little bit different seeing as how it was hu vs a 6max game but aejones had 5% of himself during his stint at rail heaven. Don't think he should have thrown DIH under the bus as quickly as he did.

LOL at any of the multiaccounting issues on iPoker. It happens everyday there. There are 100s of skins and you can have an infinite amount of accounts. It is just a dynamic of the network.

I talked very briefly with Jose after his story came out. He gave me an email address if I was interested in some coaching. It matches up with this facebook account
http://www.facebook.com/#!/profile.p...796013&sk=info

I really hope DIH can restore his reputation and this can all get sorted out. I think some of the accusations against him and Jungleman are outrageous.


EDIT: Americans playing on Euro sites is no big deal. Lots of people do it. Lots don't even try to hide it.

FWIW, as someone pointed out in the 99 thread, that hand is extremely similar to a hand I posted 2 years earlier: http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...2&postcount=27

warning: low-content, possibly trollish post ahead:

from DCKrantz Twitter:
if every1 just learned to ignore trolls or puzzle them with strange responses to their posts, this girah thread would be much more exciting

Dude we love you but lay off. Railing against trolls and haters is for Carter Gill and DiH. The people who were declared trolls/haters/nutjobs in the old Girah thread have been vindicated. Other than the stuff the Skype victims have exposed and various forum detectives have discovered, there's almost zero news happening when Dog/Jungle/Jose aren't talking.

I've heard concerns about eduduplo before, but Macedo also claimed to be AGGRESSIVE22 on Party who iirc was from Netherlands (and legit good) and later I believe played as poker40XXX (some numbers).

I will add that HASEEB AND JUNGLEMAN ARE VERY ANGRY. THEY KEPT TELLING EACH OTHER WHYD THIS KID GO DO THIS.

WHY ARE THEY SO ANGRY? WHY? I KNOW PAPA BEAR CARES FOR HIS YOUNG BUT WHY IS JUNGLEMAN SO ANGRY?

FURTHERMORE: JUNGLEMAN AND HQ ARE LIVING TOGETHER; IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO BELIEVE THAT JUNGLEMAN IS OBLIVIOUS TO HQ PLAYING ON THIS ACCOUNT IF ITS ACTUALLY HIM PLAYING THERE.

THAT WOULD BE ONE REASON HE WOULD BE ANGRY.

whose to say these players aren't also HQ or JM? Got a long way to go before u get to 800k hands.

i'll just also add, how many incredibly good players are just popping out of nowhere? Look at aggressive22 s stats. Almost all 25/50 hu, BOSS win rate.

Where are all these guys coming from? There's only so many people who are that good on Earth, they have to be SOMEONE that someone in HSNL knows basically.