Well you see, that is a huge difference. Claiming that Jose actually got coaching from you legitimizes him to a degree that what you describe above never would. It would mean that a) he could afford a top notch coach such as yourself for the price of 1200 / hr and b) that he would need to pay a premium for coaching as only an absolute super-elite player like yourself would be able to help him and c) he is absolutely not a scammer, as no scammer would logically reinvest that type of money into someone such as yourself. That would in my book eliminate him as a scammer to a very large degree if he reinvests 10 - 15 k in pokercoaching of his own from one the top three or four HU-NL players in the world.

Which begs the question why Hasseb would claim this:

[3/11/2011 8:58:40 PM] sm: so jose is 100% factual and 100% of the results posted are his right?
[3/11/2011 8:59:01 PM] DOGISHEAD: yeah
[3/11/2011 8:59:21 PM] sm: bc i might book some coaching with him and if he isn't i'll feel like a total idiot + waste money
[3/11/2011 8:59:59 PM] DOGISHEAD: haha
[3/11/2011 9:00:12 PM] DOGISHEAD: yeah he's legit. he's gotten a lot of coaching from sauce and a bit from jungle
[3/11/2011 9:00:16 PM] DOGISHEAD: so you can ask them

Reading that I would feel COMPLETELY misled. Hasseb is intelligent enough to understand the enormous difference between paying someone like Sauce for "a lot of coaching" and exchanging some ideas. As you put it yourself "a misleading characterization".Not to mention vouching for someone a 100 % and it turns out like this.

I thought Jose already brought a big house hence why he needed staking acording to DIH
in CR blog.As posted lisbon has some very nice propertys at very reasonable prices much lower than other citys.

Sure, I had to do the same thing this summer in Montreal, but we're talking about Portugal. There are no houses for 15k/month, the presidential palace is cheaper than that.

my thoughts are the same as in my above post.

This could be completely off track. I hardly post here, but just worth noting. Didn't JM play a 25 50 PLO session and lost like 300k to some dude that just fleed the site straight after? (chip dumping) Maybe not... I'm just chucking stuff out there like others.

Sorry if this is way ot there

well, i guess you and your friend dont have the same definition of coaching. ok.

Just because Haseeb misrepresented my relationship to Jose in a casual skype chat does not give me or anyone else license to post accusations about his intentions in so doing.

sure, he just misrepresented your relationship while he was trying to sell how good that girah guy was to a guy who wanted a coach...sure thing...

In what does the accusation lie? It might very well be utter carelesness / arrogance and complete disregard for another persons money (the person seeking coaching) at the tune of 1000 dollars per hour as a) Jose and his results were not 100 % real and b) he did not recieve any coaching from you. Of that I accuse him. The rest we don´t know. And Sauce, when somebody is charging someone a 1000 dollars / hour, as blind as the online poker world might be to the relative value of money, you better make damn sure you know what you´re talking about when recommending him "100 %", especially if you yourself have some credibility within the "community".

Fair.

As a frequent target of absurd trolling in the past couple days I get a kick out of trying to treat the innocent as charitably as possible until proven guilty. **** it, somebody's got to and foxwoodsfiend isn't at his computer.

Yeah BB VPIP seems to be around 60-70%. So it is unlikely that it was JM (on the other hand - does anybody know whether Jose plays this loose from BB)?
Also - total amount of tracked hands is 3.3k, so it seems to me that it was used rarely (unless it was used for PLO which PTR doesnt track for ipoker).

Few other things i noticed - there seems to be few hands played at mid/low stakes - 1/2, 2/4 - "last played date" around late July/ early August.
I dont know why would anyone of the three (JM/DIH/Girah) play this low.
If girah was close to busto, he could surely find enough action on 1/2 on his own accounts. Just a random thought.



BB stats are evidence against jungleman playing most of these hands.
"Evidence" doesnt mean "proof", rather:
probability it was jungleman given observed stats (60-70% BB) is lower than
probability it was jungleman if observed stats were in 40-50% range.

Also - why would JM need to conceal his stats. It is not like he expected somebody might somehow suspect that TOSHISAN was DIH account and shared with JM.

Good points.
It seems reasonable to imagine JM being bored one day (after BF) and deciding to play some hands on this account.
But this seems like relatively minor problem compared to what others are accusing them of (being criminal masterminds behind all the scams etc.)

The stats in the HEM screenshot from Haseebs 1300 hand PLO session playing on Girahs Lock Poker account, he vpiped around 82% overall, which with a btn open % of 100%, would mean roughly a 64% BB VPIP. Obv plo and Nl are different games, but I knw my HUPLO and NL vpips from the BB and overall are extremely similar

edit: if he has lower than 90% btn vpip, then that would push his BB vpip Higher. I.e. 90% btn vpip, 74% BB vpip

I think the best explanation for only having 5% is that you're nose deep in makeup. Though it doesn't improve the general picture for him even with that as an explanation.

completely agree. very understandable that JM just wants to play some poker cos of the damn government. Theres not that many hands there anyway and its likely hass had played also though i don't see him doing 70+vpip at 25/50 in his current state... w/e. Its really a non issue and i shouldn't have mentioned it. I do think if Jose had the password to the account that its pretty unlikely that Jman didn't either tho.

this isn't really accurate, i've played haseeb plenty of both games and he has always played 55/95ish stats at plo. that was a long time ago tho. pretty much everyone who is good plays 55+ in plo though. there aren't that many at nl that play 70/21 out of the bb.

it seems unlikely that hass would try to play significantly laggier pre than jungleman does normally (who he probably crunches strategy with etc) when hes playing on his own account. seems significantly more likely jungleman would be playing like that for deception and also because 70% vpip is not even a leak anyway which i'm sure he knows. impossible to prove etc tho.

i don't think people should focus on this though, it doesn't really matter like i said.

Sauce if you can adress to this:
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...postcount=1572
I think it would be very helpfull

Just to add fuel to the flames, Jose claimed to play for Sporting Lisbon youth team, Sporting is also the team that Ronaldo came through the ranks with before Man U bought him. Would be interesting to see if Jose had any involvement, I would imagine Jungle would have no other way of setting up a match with him

Yea I talked to Kjemmy about doing this. However, we decided it was too circumstantial and time consuming to spend our time doing it.

Pretty sure it's very relevant for he is painting a picture of manipulative behavior hence the ref why he thought it was abSurd for f. Scott Fitzgerald connection. Also looks like h is genuine person and felt much compassion and empathy for girah and may have blinded him from the big picture of calculAting manipulative behavior.
Although the writing it after being up 4 days and not proofreading and posting as is sounds a little forced and makes me wonder what ur trying to hide. Perhaps just a guilty conscience perhaps more.
Seriously how can people be so mean and heartless. Instead of killing and fighting and raping, why do that when we can all just hold and love each other.

well, the toshisan account played 997 hands of 25/50HU against a guy who in a couple hands i just looked at was minraising the button. so that could drastically change BB VPIP

The guy was from Sweden supposedly and everyone thought it was Viktor...Viktor even came on the board to make his only post and say it wasn't him.

Ill defer to you.. idk even knw who hass is thst you referred to here, so i should just stay outta the way.. just thought it was a possible explanation

nutedawg! yes this makes a lot more sense if true

Thanks for the answer, i think it's one of the best ways to prove if he had a brilliant poker mind or he was just taking advantage of you guys thoughts.

Can any of the regs who did have regular Skype conversations or other interactions with Girah confirm any of his screen names?

And, if he was never willing to share his SN even with trusted high stakes players, did that raise any sort of red flag?