how much is it going to do though, seeing as it's tracked stars for 4 years anyway? it's obviously a very good thing they want to stop the tracking, but how about stars letting all players get a one-time name change to truly put stars tracking down for good?

I've always thought a good way to objectively rate music is to see if it can transcend a generation. If people who didn't grow up with the original listeners still enjoy some band, I think it says a lot about the quality of an artist.

Considering I could recreate these "deep songs" in Reason + Pro Tools - what about these songs are "deep" and "complex"?

alexei linked me to this documentary on jeff buckley-


a few years ago and he has become one of my all time favorites now. i always knew him as the guy that sang "hallelujah" but really had never paid much attention to him. can't recommend him enough.

Presumably stars would be able to seek damages if they continue to profit by selling their intellectual property (selling hh's, charging for access to people's stats/winrates etc) so they would have to shut down the stars portion of their db which is the whole point of the cease and desist letter.

AM,

I think your posts on music are generally quite good and we have similar tastes. However when I'm grinding online poker I prefer to listen to the type of music a 16 year old hipster e-tard girl would like. Mostly because it only requires "passive" listening as you put it, and it increases my energy level because it just feels good.

i dont know what this means.

I guess we just see it differently though. For me theres is so much good stuff coming out all the time why would i want to be listening to the same band in 10 years time? Is that 1 millionth listen gonna give you as much enjoyment as it does when you discover a brilliant song/album for the first time? For me the answers no. I would prefer to take in as much good stuff as i can. Ive played in plenty of bands and know enough about basic production to appreciate a lot of things i wouldnt listen to. You seem to appreciate great musicianship which is cool, but to me its just chin scratching music, i can listen to it and nod along in approval but it doesnt make me feel anything. I'd rather have something thats new and exciting.

genius at work

By this logic, a piano piece could never be deep and complex.

Well now we're getting to the root of the issue. I think the whole "deep" and "complexity" angle is garbage.

Has to do with the society you live in, you've been trained to think that classical music is refined and only appreciated by the discerning ear whereas rap music is trash. It's all ridiculous *brainwashing conspiracy*

and what if i think both are complex and deep? seriously, what in the world are you going on about? people can't have a visceral reaction to art?

You could have an argument for this being true RE what's good music and what's bad, but I don't think this really applies to complexity.

Happy Birthday is clearly much less complex than Rachmaninoff's 3rd.

I think it's also clear that country music is much less complex than Jazz.

There are different, mostly arbitrary, ways of defining what complexity here means, but by any reasonable definition, both of the above statements will still be true.

Complex doesn't mean good, and there are plenty of people that actively dislike complex music.

Sorry for the misunderstanding, that view I agree with I was referring to Alexei's comment which I assumed refer to the good/bad argument with his "addiction to ecstasy" gem.

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o.o Class action against Megu anyone? They even had videos of them massaging the cows on the screen...

EDIT: It gets worse: http://www.forbes.com/sites/larryolm...nd-wagyu-beef/

It wasn't necessarily in my top 10 shows I saw this weekend but I had a great time at the childish show. I came in not knowing anything about him other then that dude from community, and enjoyed the show. Everyone around seemed pretty into it too fwiw.

Kendrick Lamar played with him, got his own set and also played with snoop and dre, that guy has it worked out.

This! Except for the "mostly arbitrary" part.

It's shockingly narrow minded to think artistic judgements are reducible to only matters of taste; that no tastes are better than others, and so there is no good art or bad art. I feel like if you hold a view like that, you just aren't moved by art, and I feel bad for you but doubt I will be able to convince you to change your mind.

I hate people that think opinions can't be wrong.

I predict RBK will chime in with a picture of The Dude saying "but that's just like, your opinion, man."

You have no idea how often people use the complexity/deep similar argument when trying to explain to me why producing D&B/Jungle is a waste or why the whole genre is garbage. Tilts me every time.

Sure there's some decent/good/very good stuff coming out every year, but for me personally, I can listen to the old Pink Floyd songs over, and over, and over again (same with like Dire Straits - Private Investigations/Brothers in arms/On every street etc etc), and the new bands, even though there are many bands I absolutely love that are recent, don't make the same cut as especially Pink Floyd, which is my favorite band.

I just recently started listening to Pink Floyd's 94' album, ''The Division Bell'', which is post Roger Waters; a few of the songs are really good, even though I prefer the older ones.

This one is my favorite from The Division Bell:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZmeyocnsEIk

Also, this might sound pompous, but having played an instrument for many years give you a different music taste and appreciation of music than if you haven't. You notice the small details and the complexity better, and generally gives you a deeper appreciation for what is being made than if you haven't played any instruments. Don't get me wrong though, you can obviously absolutely love music and live for it even if you haven't, but having done so makes it easier to notice the true genius of some of the music played.

Oh and God what I would have given to be here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hUYzQaCCt2o

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_PsxU...e_gdata_player

Im sure you can produce these sounds with a computer but is it the same thing?

Its one thing to have a great ear for sounds and composing or engineering a deep or complex symphony of noise, but what about some good old shredding?

Idk. Seems like two different animals.

Highest point of my music career. A shout-out in the HSNL thread. BTW, obv I cant play online poker anymore but I would like to nominate M83's "Hurry up we're dreaming" as the best grind music of all time.

Pretty much this. Music, like most other forms of art is subjective. The ear likes what it likes. Your appreciation will vary from genre to genre and increase or decrease with your understanding of the technical process.

I have about the same level of understanding of the technicality of a piano concerto as I do of the process of making Skrillex's newest song. I happen to like them both just fine and they put me on different ends of the spectrum in terms of the feeling I get when I listen to them.

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