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04-16-2012 , 07:57 PM
how much is it going to do though, seeing as it's tracked stars for 4 years anyway? it's obviously a very good thing they want to stop the tracking, but how about stars letting all players get a one-time name change to truly put stars tracking down for good?
04-16-2012 , 08:00 PM
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Originally Posted by alexeimartov
And yes i know musical tastes are personal and my original comment was obviously said half in jest but i doubt most you guys will be listening to the music you linked 10 years from now. My dad used to say Limp Bizkit was a crap band compared to the Beatles and i was like lol *** off Limp Bizkit kicks ass. Then i got better at enjoying music and Limp Bizkit seemed to lack depth and i noticed that the Beatles had learned a lot about playing music in the last 10 years.

FWIW i think there's plenty of great music coming out these days i just find it hard to click with a lot of the more indieish stuff because i don't really know what i'm meant to connect to in the music. And electro-pop just tastes like fairy floss to me.
I've always thought a good way to objectively rate music is to see if it can transcend a generation. If people who didn't grow up with the original listeners still enjoy some band, I think it says a lot about the quality of an artist.
04-16-2012 , 08:00 PM
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Originally Posted by alexeimartov
The reason you might think those linked bands are bland is because you listen to music passively rather than actively. It's a bit like saying a burger isn't bland because you can still taste what makes it good even when you're paying 0 attention to the eating process, whereas this is much less true of foods such as fish, fresh salads, etc. Jack White, Esperanza Spalding, Derek Trucks, Buddy Guy; bland? lol.

You could say Esperanza Spalding is bland compared to Katy Perry, but in my mind if you were stuck on a dessert island listening to one track by either of them, you might come around to my thinking. Katy Perry sounds like a pretty decent Burger. The flavour jumps right out at you but then its like, whatever. Esperanza is more like a perfectly cooked piece of salmon, a bit more delicate with a more complex flavour profile.

And yes i know musical tastes are personal and my original comment was obviously said half in jest but i doubt most you guys will be listening to the music you linked 10 years from now. My dad used to say Limp Bizkit was a crap band compared to the Beatles and i was like lol *** off Limp Bizkit kicks ass. Then i got better at enjoying music and Limp Bizkit seemed to lack depth and i noticed that the Beatles had learned a lot about playing music in the last 10 years.

FWIW i think there's plenty of great music coming out these days i just find it hard to click with a lot of the more indieish stuff because i don't really know what i'm meant to connect to in the music. And electro-pop just tastes like fairy floss to me.

Considering I could recreate these "deep songs" in Reason + Pro Tools - what about these songs are "deep" and "complex"?
04-16-2012 , 08:05 PM
alexei linked me to this documentary on jeff buckley-


a few years ago and he has become one of my all time favorites now. i always knew him as the guy that sang "hallelujah" but really had never paid much attention to him. can't recommend him enough.
04-16-2012 , 08:24 PM
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Originally Posted by kjemmy
how much is it going to do though, seeing as it's tracked stars for 4 years anyway? it's obviously a very good thing they want to stop the tracking, but how about stars letting all players get a one-time name change to truly put stars tracking down for good?
Presumably stars would be able to seek damages if they continue to profit by selling their intellectual property (selling hh's, charging for access to people's stats/winrates etc) so they would have to shut down the stars portion of their db which is the whole point of the cease and desist letter.
04-16-2012 , 08:27 PM
AM,

I think your posts on music are generally quite good and we have similar tastes. However when I'm grinding online poker I prefer to listen to the type of music a 16 year old hipster e-tard girl would like. Mostly because it only requires "passive" listening as you put it, and it increases my energy level because it just feels good.
04-16-2012 , 08:31 PM
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Originally Posted by alexeimartov
The reason you might think those linked bands are bland is because you listen to music passively rather than actively. It's a bit like saying a burger isn't bland because you can still taste what makes it good even when you're paying 0 attention to the eating process, whereas this is much less true of foods such as fish, fresh salads, etc. Jack White, Esperanza Spalding, Derek Trucks, Buddy Guy; bland? lol.

You could say Esperanza Spalding is bland compared to Katy Perry, but in my mind if you were stuck on a dessert island listening to one track by either of them, you might come around to my thinking. Katy Perry sounds like a pretty decent Burger. The flavour jumps right out at you but then its like, whatever. Esperanza is more like a perfectly cooked piece of salmon, a bit more delicate with a more complex flavour profile.

And yes i know musical tastes are personal and my original comment was obviously said half in jest but i doubt most you guys will be listening to the music you linked 10 years from now. My dad used to say Limp Bizkit was a crap band compared to the Beatles and i was like lol *** off Limp Bizkit kicks ass. Then i got better at enjoying music and Limp Bizkit seemed to lack depth and i noticed that the Beatles had learned a lot about playing music in the last 10 years.

FWIW i think there's plenty of great music coming out these days i just find it hard to click with a lot of the more indieish stuff because i don't really know what i'm meant to connect to in the music. And electro-pop just tastes like fairy floss to me.
i dont know what this means.

I guess we just see it differently though. For me theres is so much good stuff coming out all the time why would i want to be listening to the same band in 10 years time? Is that 1 millionth listen gonna give you as much enjoyment as it does when you discover a brilliant song/album for the first time? For me the answers no. I would prefer to take in as much good stuff as i can. Ive played in plenty of bands and know enough about basic production to appreciate a lot of things i wouldnt listen to. You seem to appreciate great musicianship which is cool, but to me its just chin scratching music, i can listen to it and nod along in approval but it doesnt make me feel anything. I'd rather have something thats new and exciting.
04-16-2012 , 08:37 PM
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Originally Posted by alexeimartov
The reason you might think those linked bands are bland is because you listen to music passively rather than actively. It's a bit like saying a burger isn't bland because you can still taste what makes it good even when you're paying 0 attention to the eating process, whereas this is much less true of foods such as fish, fresh salads, etc. Jack White, Esperanza Spalding, Derek Trucks, Buddy Guy; bland? lol.

You could say Esperanza Spalding is bland compared to Katy Perry, but in my mind if you were stuck on a dessert island listening to one track by either of them, you might come around to my thinking. Katy Perry sounds like a pretty decent Burger. The flavour jumps right out at you but then its like, whatever. Esperanza is more like a perfectly cooked piece of salmon, a bit more delicate with a more complex flavour profile.

And yes i know musical tastes are personal and my original comment was obviously said half in jest but i doubt most you guys will be listening to the music you linked 10 years from now. My dad used to say Limp Bizkit was a crap band compared to the Beatles and i was like lol *** off Limp Bizkit kicks ass. Then i got better at enjoying music and Limp Bizkit seemed to lack depth and i noticed that the Beatles had learned a lot about playing music in the last 10 years.

FWIW i think there's plenty of great music coming out these days i just find it hard to click with a lot of the more indieish stuff because i don't really know what i'm meant to connect to in the music. And electro-pop just tastes like fairy floss to me.
genius at work
04-16-2012 , 08:39 PM
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Originally Posted by JPB383
Considering I could recreate these "deep songs" in Reason + Pro Tools - what about these songs are "deep" and "complex"?
By this logic, a piano piece could never be deep and complex.
04-16-2012 , 09:03 PM
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Originally Posted by ZeeJustin
By this logic, a piano piece could never be deep and complex.
Well now we're getting to the root of the issue. I think the whole "deep" and "complexity" angle is garbage.

Has to do with the society you live in, you've been trained to think that classical music is refined and only appreciated by the discerning ear whereas rap music is trash. It's all ridiculous *brainwashing conspiracy*
04-16-2012 , 09:11 PM
and what if i think both are complex and deep? seriously, what in the world are you going on about? people can't have a visceral reaction to art?
04-16-2012 , 09:22 PM
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Originally Posted by JPB383
Has to do with the society you live in, you've been trained to think that classical music is refined and only appreciated by the discerning ear whereas rap music is trash. It's all ridiculous *brainwashing conspiracy*
You could have an argument for this being true RE what's good music and what's bad, but I don't think this really applies to complexity.

Happy Birthday is clearly much less complex than Rachmaninoff's 3rd.

I think it's also clear that country music is much less complex than Jazz.

There are different, mostly arbitrary, ways of defining what complexity here means, but by any reasonable definition, both of the above statements will still be true.

Complex doesn't mean good, and there are plenty of people that actively dislike complex music.
04-16-2012 , 09:45 PM
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Originally Posted by ZeeJustin
You could have an argument for this being true RE what's good music and what's bad, but I don't think this really applies to complexity.

Happy Birthday is clearly much less complex than Rachmaninoff's 3rd.

I think it's also clear that country music is much less complex than Jazz.

There are different, mostly arbitrary, ways of defining what complexity here means, but by any reasonable definition, both of the above statements will still be true.

Complex doesn't mean good, and there are plenty of people that actively dislike complex music.
Sorry for the misunderstanding, that view I agree with I was referring to Alexei's comment which I assumed refer to the good/bad argument with his "addiction to ecstasy" gem.
04-16-2012 , 11:15 PM
Fine Dining's Biggest Scam: The Great Kobe Beef Lie (via Forbes)

http://onforb.es/HNXuqE

Summary: It is impossible to have Japanese Kobe beef in the U.S.
04-16-2012 , 11:42 PM
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Originally Posted by GoMukYaSelf
Fine Dining's Biggest Scam: The Great Kobe Beef Lie (via Forbes)

http://onforb.es/HNXuqE

Summary: It is impossible to have Japanese Kobe beef in the U.S.
o.o Class action against Megu anyone? They even had videos of them massaging the cows on the screen...

EDIT: It gets worse: http://www.forbes.com/sites/larryolm...nd-wagyu-beef/

Last edited by JPB383; 04-16-2012 at 11:48 PM. Reason: :(
04-17-2012 , 12:01 AM
It wasn't necessarily in my top 10 shows I saw this weekend but I had a great time at the childish show. I came in not knowing anything about him other then that dude from community, and enjoyed the show. Everyone around seemed pretty into it too fwiw.

Kendrick Lamar played with him, got his own set and also played with snoop and dre, that guy has it worked out.
04-17-2012 , 12:27 AM
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Originally Posted by ZeeJustin
You could have an argument for this being true RE what's good music and what's bad, but I don't think this really applies to complexity.

Happy Birthday is clearly much less complex than Rachmaninoff's 3rd.

I think it's also clear that country music is much less complex than Jazz.

There are different, mostly arbitrary, ways of defining what complexity here means, but by any reasonable definition, both of the above statements will still be true.

Complex doesn't mean good, and there are plenty of people that actively dislike complex music.

This! Except for the "mostly arbitrary" part.

It's shockingly narrow minded to think artistic judgements are reducible to only matters of taste; that no tastes are better than others, and so there is no good art or bad art. I feel like if you hold a view like that, you just aren't moved by art, and I feel bad for you but doubt I will be able to convince you to change your mind.
04-17-2012 , 12:33 AM
I hate people that think opinions can't be wrong.
04-17-2012 , 12:44 AM
I predict RBK will chime in with a picture of The Dude saying "but that's just like, your opinion, man."
04-17-2012 , 12:45 AM
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Originally Posted by ZeeJustin
I hate people that think opinions can't be wrong.
You have no idea how often people use the complexity/deep similar argument when trying to explain to me why producing D&B/Jungle is a waste or why the whole genre is garbage. Tilts me every time.
04-17-2012 , 12:57 AM
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Originally Posted by sharpyetblunt
i dont know what this means.

I guess we just see it differently though. For me theres is so much good stuff coming out all the time why would i want to be listening to the same band in 10 years time? Is that 1 millionth listen gonna give you as much enjoyment as it does when you discover a brilliant song/album for the first time? For me the answers no. I would prefer to take in as much good stuff as i can. Ive played in plenty of bands and know enough about basic production to appreciate a lot of things i wouldnt listen to. You seem to appreciate great musicianship which is cool, but to me its just chin scratching music, i can listen to it and nod along in approval but it doesnt make me feel anything. I'd rather have something thats new and exciting.
Sure there's some decent/good/very good stuff coming out every year, but for me personally, I can listen to the old Pink Floyd songs over, and over, and over again (same with like Dire Straits - Private Investigations/Brothers in arms/On every street etc etc), and the new bands, even though there are many bands I absolutely love that are recent, don't make the same cut as especially Pink Floyd, which is my favorite band.

I just recently started listening to Pink Floyd's 94' album, ''The Division Bell'', which is post Roger Waters; a few of the songs are really good, even though I prefer the older ones.

This one is my favorite from The Division Bell:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZmeyocnsEIk

Also, this might sound pompous, but having played an instrument for many years give you a different music taste and appreciation of music than if you haven't. You notice the small details and the complexity better, and generally gives you a deeper appreciation for what is being made than if you haven't played any instruments. Don't get me wrong though, you can obviously absolutely love music and live for it even if you haven't, but having done so makes it easier to notice the true genius of some of the music played.

Oh and God what I would have given to be here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hUYzQaCCt2o

Last edited by kjemmy; 04-17-2012 at 01:03 AM.
04-17-2012 , 01:18 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_PsxU...e_gdata_player

Im sure you can produce these sounds with a computer but is it the same thing?

Its one thing to have a great ear for sounds and composing or engineering a deep or complex symphony of noise, but what about some good old shredding?

Idk. Seems like two different animals.
04-17-2012 , 02:35 AM
Highest point of my music career. A shout-out in the HSNL thread. BTW, obv I cant play online poker anymore but I would like to nominate M83's "Hurry up we're dreaming" as the best grind music of all time.
04-17-2012 , 02:59 AM
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Originally Posted by ZeeJustin
You could have an argument for this being true RE what's good music and what's bad, but I don't think this really applies to complexity.

Happy Birthday is clearly much less complex than Rachmaninoff's 3rd.

I think it's also clear that country music is much less complex than Jazz.

There are different, mostly arbitrary, ways of defining what complexity here means, but by any reasonable definition, both of the above statements will still be true.

Complex doesn't mean good, and there are plenty of people that actively dislike complex music.
Pretty much this. Music, like most other forms of art is subjective. The ear likes what it likes. Your appreciation will vary from genre to genre and increase or decrease with your understanding of the technical process.

I have about the same level of understanding of the technicality of a piano concerto as I do of the process of making Skrillex's newest song. I happen to like them both just fine and they put me on different ends of the spectrum in terms of the feeling I get when I listen to them.
04-17-2012 , 03:35 AM
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