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(NL2000) Bluff-River in 4-Bet Pot?

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11-13-2008 , 10:26 PM

Louis Cyphre

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Villain: 30/25/4.2/349, no specific reads. I have a suspicion he might not be very good but I can't tell yet.

$10/$20 No Limit Holdem
4 players
Converted at weaktight.com

Stacks:
CO ($2528.00)
Hero ($4182.50)
SB ($2317.50)
BB ($5470.32)

Pre-flop: ($30, 4 players) Hero is BTN A

CO raises to $80, Hero raises to $255, SB raises to $465, 1 fold, CO folds, Hero calls $210

Flop: J

($1030, 2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks

Turn: J

($1030, 2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $485, SB calls $485

River: 4

($2000, 2 players)
SB checks,

Hero ???

I am lost. What is his range here?

11-13-2008 , 10:32 PM

gtmwarrior

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if he's bad enough to play AK this way, he's bad enough to call any river bluff.

11-13-2008 , 11:04 PM

Hercules

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Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 3,387

folding pf seems out of the question?! or push, if u think he does this light.

I´d check turn and bet river if check to (if u rly wanna bluff this). U can rep a thin vbet better imo. Dunno if its good though, cuz i feel i always get called in those spots ;(
Therefore i usually have a hand when i bet.

As played i´d just give up.
99,TT, AK, would all make sense.

11-14-2008 , 12:07 AM

ilikecookies

newbie

Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 28

dont bluff this river given your turn bet size

11-15-2008 , 01:05 PM

Andynan

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spades got there !

11-21-2008 , 08:10 AM

Louis Cyphre

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Andynan

spades got there !

Care to elaborate?

11-21-2008 , 08:45 AM

fees

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what happened here on the turn

11-21-2008 , 08:55 AM

Louis Cyphre

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After his pre-flop 4-bet and his two checks I figured there is a sufficient chance he has AK.

11-21-2008 , 09:03 AM

fees

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Quote:

Originally Posted by LouisCyphre

After his pre-flop 4-bet and his two checks I figured there is a sufficient chance he has AK.

u wanna talk about pre-flop if you now think hes got dat AK

11-21-2008 , 12:40 PM

#10

MATT111

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Dont like your line. I think both betting the flop and checking two times is a lot better than what you did. As played I just give up on the river. Too big a chance he hero calls you off now.

11-22-2008 , 02:11 AM

#11

Toni Cogin

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Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 516

fold pf vs unknown, dont bet turn if you dont plan on shipping river (->its pretty obvious hes either pot controlling or trapping/giving up with a hand that you beat)

pokers is ez

11-22-2008 , 01:27 PM

#12

otime25

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Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 226

I think your going to be called here too often on the river to make it profitable based upon how hand played out. AK is certaintly a possibility based upon how it was played and he might just call you down with that. It sucks but I would just check it down here.

11-22-2008 , 01:51 PM

#13

pokeranibal

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His 4 bet is so small that i would put him on a very strong pp, its what happens on flopp and turn that makes his hand seem like AK, its a tought hand but considering postflopplay i would push river.

11-23-2008 , 10:46 PM

#14

praios

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i think a player like this snaps you of thit somthing like 77 so you shound not bet turn and/or the river

11-25-2008 , 09:38 PM

#15

jlocdog

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I would have bet the flop. I'm not sure what a check does for you to be honest...

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