villian is eska, we don't have much history, i'm taggish and usually play lower.

Full Tilt Poker, $10/20 Hold'em Cash Games, 6 Players
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Board:
BB: $2,057
UTG: $2,204
UTG+1: $4,788
CO: $313.50
Button: $4,531
SB: $4,966

Dealt to SB K K

Pre-flop:
(2 folds), CO calls $20, Button raises to $40, SB raises to $180, (2 folds), Button calls $140

Flop: ($410) 6 Q 9 (2 Players)
SB bets $327, Button raises to $1,140

ship it

fold. Is eska miraising frequently (esp after a limper) or is it a misclick?

maybe at 10nl

limper has 15bb and is fish not shortstacker. i haven't seen him minraise otherwise and wouldn't read too much into it.

edit: ugh, didn't see co had 15bbs to start the hand. i worked hard on this post too hah. It's far more likely to be a way behind / slightly ahead now and I don't think folding is bad at all.


I feel like the minraise has to really discount a lot of hands that we would be worried about from a standard sized raise like 99, QQ, and sometimes AA. I think even 66 should be discounted unless Eskabor is a 100% button minraiser and didn't see the limper which I guess is a somewhat high possibility.

I could see your playing higher than normal and cbetting a v coordinated board making him think you're never going to be folding, but I still think his 11+ out draws need to be played fast on this flop almost always. I don't think he's going to bluff raise his medium strength draws for the same reason as posted above, he's going to be blown off 78ss type stuff too frequently if he raises, and the P:S ratio is fine for him to call and try to bink on you and maybe bluff some cards.

So I think due to the minraise pre if you're beat its going to be Q9s or 69s or 66, which aren't that common and your equity isn't that bad against them. Most of the time it'll just be AXdd or T8dd. After all this I'm still not sure if I would be flatting and cring the turn or just 3-betting and getting it in, but I think 3-betting because the value of both lines seems really close to me and 3-betting is far easier to play. Really tough one I think, hate this spot.

Eska is a nit yo, fold!

u serious. How do we ever fold this?

Gross spot kratz, fold v. esko man. If you shipped it I cannot fault you.

Am I seriously seeing this right? People want to FOLD?

Nobody is folding in this spot.

i wasn't saying we should fold. i was politely suggesting MikeGotNuts to stop posting advice in hsnl when he plays 10nl. shoulda worded it better so it didn't sound like i wanted to fold (yuck)

do you even have a bluff 3-betting range here with the shortstacks limp an eskas minraise? i dont think folding is bad at all.

Dont know this guy but a default range for the TAG I`d assume is pretty weak vs. a non-pro shortstack.

I think this is probably a call and stick it in on a safe turn card.

But if this guy's a nit then yeh probably fold.

i can't remember what it like to have a nitty imge. but for me i'd ship this alllllllll day.

isnt call and then call on most safe turns best?

i'm not betting this flop to start off with, we don't really have many bluffs in our range here so i think he can play pretty well to a bet here.

also if the fish with 15BB is an aggro donk you can flat here then hope he reopens the betting preflop.

i think you can call the flop raise, there are quite alot of decent turncards for you

lol what

In the best case he has a pair of 9s and a fd. In this situation it is pretty much a coinflip. If you get the same read and feel like gambling than go ahead and stack off.

um...what? why wouldn't you?

Welcome to 2p2 folks,

Where everybody suggests all the folds they never make (and in this case shouldn't)

I challenge those advocating a fold to put him on a range, work out the # of hand combos, then the percentage of his combos that beat us, and come to the conclusion that we should fold.

and I then challenge them to explain how such an analysis would be at all helpful

Ship....Ship...The Pot

Such a no brainer can't believe this is even a topic