darmouth

This forum becomes more and more a playground for people who have too high thaugts about them selfes and there pokerskills, that compets with each other of being biggest smartasses, instead of giving constructive critic or advices.

The only times a thread is taking seriously is when one of the known fameous players start it. It is a ****ing shame.

I find it pretty funny that some people seems to think they are all that just because they are highstakes pokerplayer.

About the call on turn I will say this... I am surprised that so many of you think that if you call turn, you must call river. I see this opinion in thread after thread.

I know many players who often would make one barrel bluff, but slow down if called. Maybe OP find villain to be in that category?

I don't mind either a fold or call on the turn and slightly prefer the call on the turn. I don't understand ur flop reasoning tho and I would also bet bigger. This line is usually a monster or a draw, and a lot of fish love to slowplay quads (though in this spot maybe not so necessarily) or get super fpsy with em so I say **** you and call... though don't feel elated about it.

Did he have 9ts?

also how quick was he on the river

I definitely instacall river, and it is well played on all streets. I'm undecided on whether to call or fold if the river had bricked, but with the right info I could definitely see a call.

billstery-
he paused for just a moment before shoving river.

berserk-
i think calling a river shove against this guy is decently bad if we don't improve, but hes definitely the type to lead turn with a range of hands there and then give up on the river, or c/c off his stack with a J.

obv he had Q9o results wise.

come awn baluga, nycb may be rude but he has some points. i def dislike ur plan based on ur read. fold turn if ur gonna fold river.

My read was that he'd lead turn with a range of hands but only shove the river with better than kings up, and my question is whether or not the riv improves me enough to call it off

Maybe everyones experience is that he shoves riv 100 pct given action so I should fold turn tho

lol. maybe YOU do this, or other mega nits, but this is not even close to true for any regular at 10/20+. and I'm guessing that the reason u don't know this is u apparently never look the guy up without the stones in this spot. and don't lie, because u clearly don't based on what u have said.

the factors here are quite simple

no its really not these hands expose u as a very 1st level thinking standard nit grinder: "it's very obvious i have a hand and very obvious he could be bluffing therefore i'm always folding"

you only interpret it this way because you don't have a high enough understanding of poker to see that hands like this are a complete waste of everyone's time. constructive advice always follows a hand that is truly a tough decision. the criteria here is just way higher than anywhere else

to be honest, if u were an early 20s self made millionaire with no job and complete freedom in life, which is alot of this forum, wouldnt u think u were all that?

OP, this doesnt make sense to me "I bet a little smaller than normal because my equity is going to change a lot on the turn and thus the value is a little bit thinner."

your equity changing on the turn is just variance, this hand with this board is high variance but variance doesnt affect EV/value, when you are making your flop decision (bet sizing) he has a range and so do you and each range has a certain equity on this board-end of story

taht being said there are plenty of reasons for betting a certain way besides equity/ranges but i dont get what you said

as for the hand, flop and turn seem standard and your plan for the turn + river combo makes perfect sense and anyone who doesnt understand that either doesnt understand your assumptions or poker

what did the guy end up having?? i missed that

i think i didnt enunciate what i meant by reducing my betsize due to equity consideration very well... but i understand it so i dont really have any questions about that.

as for nyc, you can talk your head off but im done responding to you

If you find a question too simple on this forum, just move on! Why the hell are you taking your time to write down an sarcastic post?

You can have all the money in the world, what do I know, but I still feel sorry for you...money can not by personality.

thats what happens when you realize you are wrong and exposed as a super nit

awwww, please don't, i'm very lucky in life

Originally Posted by nycballer
you only interpret it this way because you don't have a high enough understanding of poker to see that hands like this are a complete waste of everyone's time. constructive advice always follows a hand that is truly a tough decision. the criteria here is just way higher than anywhere else

There are some posters in this thread that has another opinion than you about this hand, do you mean that you are a superiour pokerplayer than all them?

to all those saying fold turn or call river note he has lots of Tens, FDs(with or without pairs) and total spewballs in his range which will stop on a lot of rivers. This includes draws that get there...
imo

enlighten me? bc what i said makes sense to me and they seem mutually exclusive....

nyc either explain your condescending advice(if you could call it that) or don't post...

you think op waste's your time, when in fact you waste his, as well as everyone else that has to read your stupid ego-boosting posts.

nyc you arer a huge douche bag. do everyone a favor and drive your ugly lambo off a cliff.


when the paramedics arrive tell them to resuscitate you by feel

u might be rich nyc, but i bet u have a small dick and an ugly face

edit: oh and i bet you weigh 300 pounds also'

BALLLLINNNN .... (not)

nh sir.

make sure youre in the car tho

Yes this is a snap call. Boohoo if he has a 9 he makes the same play with a J and as a bluff.

Rest of hand is fine.

The whole point is that the fish is passive and will probably not value bet or double barrel bluff on the river unless the fish has a 9 or a straight or something really good. So by calling you get information for cheaper than by raising where you commit your stack.

aejones said the same thing i said, just alot more succinct. no other good player has responded to this post. do you guys see that maybe im right here?

im a douchebag for being straightforward and not sugarcoating it?? other good players are thinking what im saying here, they just choose to not say it.