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HSNL MODDING Q: Should we address low content & low quality posts in strat threads? HSNL MODDING Q: Should we address low content & low quality posts in strat threads?
View Poll Results: What do you think about short/low content responses in strategy threads?
I believe that short/low content responses are not a problem.
31 12.30%
I believe that short/lc responses are a problem but that the best solution is to do nothing.
24 9.52%
I believe that short/low content responses should be strictly prohibited in HSNL strategy posts.
47 18.65%
I believe that only some players should be able to make short/lc responses in HSNL strategy posts.
95 37.70%
I don't like short/low content responses but I am unsure about the best solution for this problem
49 19.44%
Other?
6 2.38%

04-28-2008 , 07:54 AM
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Originally Posted by gman06
The good players can read through a post and immediately tell if it has merit or not. Admittedly most of these posts come from the same 20-30 guys, but there are certainly times where I read a post from an moderately unknown player and think to myself, "damn, that was a good post". Overall, I don't think this idea is practical.
We (who read this forum regularly) also read those good posts from unknown posters and then mentally add them to the list of worthwhile posters. But if their first 10 posts are all 'fold preflop', 'he has AAA', 'LOL', etc. then they aren't contributing anything and they are just annoying people. Everyone should be like MDMA and post long, excellent posts first and then stop giving a **** and start making one-liners. You had to give the good, long posts first, otherwise you just sound like you have no idea what you're talking about or taking random guesses at advice. I mean, on every decision you have a 1/3 chance of advising the best play, right...?
04-28-2008 , 08:06 AM
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Originally Posted by ike
Wow, I wasn't expecting my "only some players should be allowed to make them" response to be popular...
Anyway, I honestly think it makes sense. If stinger or cts or someone else wants to just pop into a thread and say "fold pf," I'm happy to hear it. If some guy with 4 posts says that, its not useful.
This. and also the fact that i appreciate it if cts/stinger etc respond to my rando 10/20 25/50 spots, and i usually enjoy trying to derive what their reasoning is to make said decision so i kinda educate myself a bit more...
04-28-2008 , 08:17 AM
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Originally Posted by sauce123
This. and also the fact that i appreciate it if cts/stinger etc respond to my rando 10/20 25/50 spots, and i usually enjoy trying to derive what their reasoning is to make said decision so i kinda educate myself a bit more...
I like it when someone like CTS will be like 'fold on the flop' and then a lot of people are like "OMG, you fold KK here?" etc etc and other people are like "yea, man, I totally agree with CTS -- fold that shizz" and whatever. Then CTS comes back to the thread a week later and is like "Oh, you had KK? I thought you had AK. Shove with KK for sure!" LOL. Makes me laugh every time and wonder how many one-liners that seem 'deep' or 'contrarian' are just mistakes.
04-28-2008 , 09:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Ansky
fine the way it is
Funny that so many of you want the forum to be run so undemocratically, and have voiced that opinion in a poll..
04-28-2008 , 10:31 AM
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Originally Posted by TheWorstPlayer
I like it when someone like CTS will be like 'fold on the flop' and then a lot of people are like "OMG, you fold KK here?" etc etc and other people are like "yea, man, I totally agree with CTS -- fold that shizz" and whatever. Then CTS comes back to the thread a week later and is like "Oh, you had KK? I thought you had AK. Shove with KK for sure!" LOL. Makes me laugh every time and wonder how many one-liners that seem 'deep' or 'contrarian' are just mistakes.
haha ive seen this a lot
04-28-2008 , 10:52 AM
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Originally Posted by cero_z
Funny that so many of you want the forum to be run so undemocratically, and have voiced that opinion in a poll..
Even a democracy has a police force...
04-28-2008 , 11:02 AM
We could add something to the title of everyone who's allowed to make one-liners, to make it easier to mod. That could also include the less-known HS guys if someone vouches for them.

Actually that would be really helpful to the newbs who don't know who to listen to.
04-28-2008 , 11:37 AM
Running it El-D style would dramatically increase the quality of the forum.

Another, less-rigorous, option would be to simply make it easier to put people on ignore.

I'm not sure which I prefer.


edit:

What about the following: you run it El-D style but anyone with a postcount over 1K automatically can post and others have to get a permission to their account.
04-28-2008 , 12:13 PM
I think there should be an invite only strategy forum for Mid Stake and High Stakes similar to EDF. Everyone can read it but only few can post and if you troll/hijack you get banned from it.

Currently reading through 15 droolers quoting CTS or making fun of the OP for every 1 good strat post blows.
04-28-2008 , 03:46 PM
I think anyone should be able to start threads. If we limit the thread-starters to an exclusive group then we may as well just have our own entirely private forum. I think bad or overly concise responses from posters known or unknown are a bigger threat to the quality of the forum than the occasional bad OP from a random player taking a shot.
04-28-2008 , 03:56 PM
Those bad OPs get quickly locked right now anyways. Agree that's not a big problem. But when I click on a thread that has 25 replies, I expect it to be interesting. When it's a total of 25 words among all the replies, it's pretty frustrating.
04-28-2008 , 06:34 PM
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Originally Posted by ike
Wow, I wasn't expecting my "only some players should be allowed to make them" response to be popular...
Anyway, I honestly think it makes sense. If stinger or cts or someone else wants to just pop into a thread and say "fold pf," I'm happy to hear it. If some guy with 4 posts says that, its not useful.
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Originally Posted by Daliman
Gee, I wonder why.

To extrapolate that thought to not be a one liner, a fair amount of your posts are either self-congratulatory, insulting, or a mix of both. So many of your posts would be on the chopping block. The actual strategy you post is usually good, so if you stuck to that you'd be a much better poster. But then you wouldn't be AAAAAEEEEEEJJJJOOOONNNNEEEEESSSSSSSS would you?
You both took the words right out of my mouth, this is pretty much what I'm thinking.

I think that in addition to this sort of thought process the FAQ's should be crystal clear in the fact that lower stakes players should be discouraged from posting, as things that they may think are very helpful are common knowledge to 99% of the HSNL community.

I rarely post in HSNL and although I play between 5/10 and 25/50, much of the advice I can give is common knowledge to other HSNL'ers. I read and learn a lot from HSNL threads but I'm pretty selective in posting here because it wastes someone's time to have to read a couple paragraphs of something that they already know. I know this can't be avoided most of the time but it can be kept to a minimum.
04-28-2008 , 06:42 PM
this whole thread is pretty bizarre to be honest...

i mean, isnt it obvious who is and isnt contributing? if people are making no ****in sense constantly, then send them a pm or something, with a 'warning' or whatever... if they keep ****in around ban them for a day... i mean if someone makes a bad strategy post they usually get flamed for it and they try and improve their posting or they stop entirely... if they keep going its usually because theyre trolls and then see above...

but this whole vote and blah blah... weird ****... i think some people take 2p2 too seriously...
04-28-2008 , 07:10 PM
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Originally Posted by cero_z
Funny that so many of you want the forum to be run so undemocratically, and have voiced that opinion in a poll..
i just prefer not getting nazi censored by the moderators



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Originally Posted by Snoop Todd
but this whole vote and blah blah... weird ****... i think some people take 2p2 too seriously...
bingo



maybe it should be a locked forum where only the most well known players can post (note i didnt say best players). that way it will only be quality content!! might as well turn this place into a fkning cardrunners lite where only cts and stinger can respond

or maybe i will just make more of an effort to post one line low content posts just to piss off the nit mods. nah then id have to read this board




I believe that short/low content responses are not a problem.

Last edited by greg nice; 04-28-2008 at 07:17 PM.
04-28-2008 , 07:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Cornell Fiji
On the other hand, if TheMatadorKGB responded "fold to the check-raise on the turn" I would be annoyed at the useless reply
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Originally Posted by TheMatadorKGB
WTF!?!?!
LOL
04-28-2008 , 09:05 PM
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Originally Posted by greg nice
LOL
Wow, just wow. That account was made more than a year ago.
04-28-2008 , 09:38 PM
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Originally Posted by greg nice
i just prefer not getting nazi censored by the moderators





bingo



maybe it should be a locked forum where only the most well known players can post (note i didnt say best players). that way it will only be quality content!! might as well turn this place into a fkning cardrunners lite where only cts and stinger can respond

or maybe i will just make more of an effort to post one line low content posts just to piss off the nit mods. nah then id have to read this board




I believe that short/low content responses are not a problem.

actually the cardrunners forums aren't at all like that, if anything it's the opposite. i'm assuming you just said that without actually reading the CR forums, though.

i'm not sure there's really much 2p2 can do, though, it's a public forum, and a very good one at that. i'd vote to just keep it as is.

tc
04-28-2008 , 10:30 PM
I think this is a pretty good forum, and tbh, I think most of it's good content comes in the form of 1-liners.

Usually when a smart player says what they do in a spot, it's not that hard to figure out what their thought process is, and most of us are aware enough to post explanations when they're more complicated.

So def def def don't ban one liners completely. Maybe ban stupid one liners--at mod's discretion, erring on the side of not doing anything.
04-29-2008 , 03:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Taylor Caby
actually the cardrunners forums aren't at all like that, if anything it's the opposite. i'm assuming you just said that without actually reading the CR forums, though.
you missed my point. it wasnt a comment directed towards the cr forums. ofcourse i dont read them. i was tryin to say that if this forum becomes restricted to only certain name posters being allowed to post, it makes it no different than a training site where the outsiders go to read (watch) but not participate
04-29-2008 , 09:31 AM
I think haveing "good/great" players post one liners is worse...i mean they are the players i want to write the MOST...

seeing "fold" from them, i always want more...
04-29-2008 , 09:35 AM
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Originally Posted by poker12
I think haveing "good/great" players post one liners is worse...i mean they are the players i want to write the MOST...

seeing "fold" from them, i always want more...
But would you rather have 'fold' or nothing. You do understand that what is being discussed is deleting the one-liners, right? Not forcing people who post one-liners to have to add lengthy posts explaining their thought processes...
04-29-2008 , 10:37 AM
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Originally Posted by greg nice
you missed my point. it wasnt a comment directed towards the cr forums. ofcourse i dont read them. i was tryin to say that if this forum becomes restricted to only certain name posters being allowed to post, it makes it no different than a training site where the outsiders go to read (watch) but not participate

you realize there are thousands of people who post on training site forums, right? anyway, i see your point, i just disagree. i think we want the same thing, though, and that's for a variety of people to be able to weigh in at the HSNL forums.

tc
04-29-2008 , 10:40 AM
I don't really think that deleting unhelpful one-liners from unknown posters is going to diminish the ability of 'a variety of people to be able to weigh in'. Quite the contrary, it would help maintain some minimum standards for posts, which would help contribute to more fruitful discussion and would encourage new posters to take the time to flesh out their thought process before posting (guessing)...
04-29-2008 , 10:53 AM
low content stuff does not bother me at all,,,keep it.
04-29-2008 , 11:34 AM
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Originally Posted by xxThe_Lebowskixx
low content stuff does not bother me at all,,,keep it.
Haha. POTD.

      
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