hmm i actually think you believe what you're saying

durrrr is supposed to pay something like $50K/month or 2 months, I don't think he is actually making many (if any) payments.

Btw, there was rumor after Black Friday that jungleman sold his bankroll to durrrr. If that was true then it was quite good opportunity for jungleman after DOJ paid out to take what is rightfully his ($1.5M escrow + $40-50K payments) and ship the rest to durrrr

There was judges implemented before this challenge ever started, right? If I remember correctly it was Ivey, Ike and Justin b...

I don't think it's in doubt that durrrr is at fault for the challenge not being restarted/finished, you can't just go round issuing challenges an then ignore them when you start losing or your financial situation changes (this is pure speculation ofc) but I think it's about time they step in an say to durrrr either settle up with jungle or play. If nothing changes within a couple months then they should seriously consider disqualifying durrrr which would forfeit his side of the bet.

This would cause complications for side bets as I'm sure there is hundreds of people with action on both sides of this, but to say this has gone past the "borderline ridiculous" stage now is an understatement.

You are a legend and much smarter than I am so I believe what I said was wrong. But I still don't understand why unfortunately because I think everyone is under the assumption at this point that they won't ever be playing again so it will just be durrrr buying out at some point (which jungle said he would accept even giving a discount to get the buyout to happen). So since he is going to get the buyout money anyways and he is getting 50k every 2 months (with the amount I think increasing over time) why is it not beneficial to him to just let durrrr keep paying him free money on top of the buyout he is going to get anyways?

You are assuming that 1) Dwan will actually pay both his fines and his forfeited bet, and that 2) X amount of money now, can never be worth more than Y amount of money at a later stage, even though Y>X. Both assumptions can be wrong.

1 I think is a reasonable assumption to make based on everything we know about dwan. 2 isn't really an assumption I am making at all. But say this goes on another year and he is getting 50k every 2 months (I'm pretty sure the penalty actually continues to get bigger every 2 months but could be wrong). So he will have gotten at least $300,000 over that year in penalties. I obviously don't know what kind of return jungle could expect on that 1 mill if he had it in his account to invest right now, but making 300k on that 1 mill over a year isn't bad obviously. If jungle couldn't afford to play high stakes poker because of this 1 mill in limbo obviously things would be very different but that has never appeared to be the case as he still plays the highest stakes.

This challenge is from 3+ years ago. Assuming it is ever going to finish at this point is insane. How can anyone even assume he will pay him at this point? It's been **3 years**!!!!!!! He doesn't respond to him for months, hasn't paid a dime for a fine, and hasn't played a hand in how long? Dwan used to be someone I looked up to in the poker community and now I just see him as another degen in too deep.

If he would actually get $300K/year from challenge being on hold I would guess he would be pretty happy. More realistic assumption is that he is not getting anything and likelihood of him getting all fines and bets in the future is quite low.

I haven't followed this too closely but why can't Durrrr just tap out and have the 1.5MM escrow sent to JM?? What would keep him from doing this?

Nothing stops him from this, but apparently he claims to be convinced that he's the better player and that he can still take it home.

There is no money escrowed.

Durrrr probably doesn't have money or is just trying to weasel out.

He could do this, or he could just scam on interest/present liquidity/the whole bet itself, because apparently nothing stops him from doing just that.

So did durrr pay his fines until now or not? I have read both answers but not a reliable answer(best source would be JM himself obv).
Also, maybe its just me, but I think its rather obvious that durrr simply doesnt have the money or might be even in debt. All that BS with the huge games in Macau etc.seriously,if you had a huge roll would you truly go out of your way to seem scamy/aholish and ruin your reputation instead of paying off 1,5mills?

My guess is people close to the parties involved know what is happening and that's why they are no longer participating in this thread. Been a long time since durrrr said there was an issue with fulltilt that jungle knew about and he would make a statement soon.

^^^ I guess this is true? Can someone enlighten the masses?

What happened to Ivey being escrow? Didnt he vouch for Dwans escrow or something?

Ivey didn't even want to pay back $500K escrow he was holding for jungleman, heard it was huge hassle getting it back.

In light of that, getting Ivey to pay $1.5M from his own pocket after he is no longer receiving paycheck from FTP seems like mission impossible.

How is this thread still open?

Can we just all accept that Durrrr realised he was -EV against JM and created every excuse in the book to avoid playing him. The fact that there is even a a parody video of this situation just shows how much of joke this whole thing is.

jungle/ike/zj, can we get a formal update soon? i have a bit of money riding on this with some i have no personal relations or spoken to in years. I'm sure theres many that are in similar situation waiting for an update.

This.

You guys are not random members of the community and this was not some HU4rollz situation where it's just a bunch of angry NVGers on an issue that isn't really their business. This was a public challenge and was endorsed by FTP which is now owned by the biggest poker site in the world. And you guys are supposed to be some of the most long time respected members of the community.

You were all well aware of the fact that people were taking action on this. Like it or not, you do have a responsibility not to just crawl into a hole and go totally silent on what is going on and where this thing is going in the future. The way this has been handled by Tom is really quite disappointing and surprising to many of us and has pretty much destroyed his reputation. His random claim that he had an issue with FTP that he'd soon disclose nearly a year ago has just further disintegrated his reputation. But you guys can all shed some light on where things stand now, and too many people are involved for you to just ignore it and hope it goes away.

Please just inform the community, and where there is any power in the situation, push to make some kind of conclusion to this horrible challenge. And even if you don't have the power to influence this thing in a positive way, at least inform people of whatever you know about the situation.

I think his issue is they stopped paying him the free moniez. I'd be mad too.

I'm in the same situation. I even escrowed $500 with my bet taker since he is a known name.

That moment when durrp and jungle at the same one drop table and cates is like " oh u got a milly?" will be priceless.. Obv durrrp busts and staked..
I was a huge fan tho back in the day

almost posted this yest haha