ill confirm the 15k vouch just to see this **** go down ZJ if you want to send me 15 online that works if one of you wins you will get paid as the other one has given money.

If ZJ pays online and viffer wins he receives online if viffer pays in chips/cash you receive chips/cash

Ok, we're officially booked then.

Just to clarify, this is not a must win situation. If one of us backs out, we owe the other 15k.

Also Viffer said I can vouch for myself for the 15k, so we're booked right now. If he feels better about it, I'll send you the 15k though (only reason I hesitate at all with this is because I'm in the US. But if Viffer wants I'll have someone send for me).

SOH-CAH-TOA

cos(30deg) = adjacent / hypotenuse = 348 / 400 = 0.87

yo let me get action on this

I hope viffer gets owned hard but it's hard to imagine him doing legit bet and not trying to angle/welch his a*s out of this somehow if it doesn't go his way.

Btw I have few thousand bet on Tom which is kind of serious money for me and it's super obvious Tom is really pathetic, even borderline scammer. Jungleman is losing money for 3 years already in opportunity costs etc since this scumbag refuses to pay him his $1.5M (ok maybe $1.4M in EV).

Tom what happened? Hanging too much with live players made you take over their ethics? Can't FTP be pressured to do something about it since Tom is their new cool respectable pro?

I know everyone is talking about challenges and bets but I wanted to mention that stars decided to run a huge software update leading up to day 2 of the WCOOP's. It took forever and I was forced to play without a hud from my Ipad. Below is the email I sent them.

Hello,
Today when I went to play day 2 of the WCOOP 10k, event 2013090023 I was prompted to update the software. It took over an hour and I was forced to play a very high equity spot in your largest promoted tournament series on my Ipad. This is totally unacceptable and I assume something will be done to make it right.

Thanks
Max

Horrible timing by them and pretty ridiculous all around, but assuming everyone was forced to take the update I don't really see how you were at a competitive disadvantage.

The arbitration result will be:

1. The xbook of hands already played should be paid in full.
2. The xbook on future hands should be void.
3. For the sidebet durr's side will either have to pay a % (different ways you can go about figuring this % out) or the sidebet is void.

Viffer is basically freerolling, in that his worst case scenario is that he owes only a part of the sidebet.

The idea that the xbook should remain for hands played going forward (which most people, even very smart ones in this thread argued i think) is easily the least likely way an arbitrator would ever rule and viffer's argument is clearly more reasonable.

cant the arbitration rule that all bets stand? (no change)

i think under the way they are submitting for the arbitration that this is not possible.

Shhhhhhhhhh,


can we bet on what pinnicle would do like you said yes to?

The general assumption that i am freerolling is absurd, i stand to lose 150k.
There are industial standards when things like this happen as to bets just being cancled, its to keep people from being called angle shooters or freerollers.

Just like a dealer should call a string raise so the players at the table dont look like ass holes for doing it.

You guys are poker players not betters and threre is a difference. POker players are not close to a gambler, at least not the ones around here.

The fact that viffer still thinks his side is being free rolled is just hilarious to me. Really excited to see this bet go through.

Da_Professional owes me 18k (has for 3 years) and just cashed the highroller for 60k. Does anybody have a way to get in touch with him? would really like to get paid


edit: someone said I might be confused here, and [edited] may not be him, if that's the case I apologize for mixing the two up. Da_Pro (Christian Iacobellis) does still owe me 18k though

^^looks like it is not him, a mod should edit out his name (Caecilius) if possible from that post

Who are we escrowing with?

my post was meant to agree with you more or less. while i think you are going too far, people like luciddream who think you have no argument are far more absurd.

clarify what "settle with him" actually means? pay him some % of the side bet? or just claim you owe 0?

Every viffer post is seemingly more tilting than the last. Whats wrong with this guy?

JESUS ****ING CHRIST, WE GET IT, YOU'RE DUMB.

Can't believe ZeeJustin even bothers to bet with Viffer even if it's free hundreds of k, not worth the hassle.
He's more shady than Ray Ban and Oakley combined, ******ed or a hustler, threatened ZJ with violence in an earlier post if I read that right, and just annoying as ****.
Remember him taking advantage of Eli Elezra on Poker After Dark, and Eli is one of the nicest guys around.
I don't care if Eli was OK with it after the fact, or what you think of this Viffer, or if it's okay in some crazy code you and people like you follow.
This is the world the way I see it, and I don't care about your opinion as I will never have any dealings or play in a live game with you.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ePF6KdMBONc

cliff notes on viffer:

-viffer is not to be trusted.
-the fact viffer has made $X from poker and is so illiterate says a lot about the guy (ooo you want to retire from poker david.... gl being successful in other areas lol)
-whether viffer thinks he is right is somewhat irrelevant because the fact is that he is wrong to the 99.7% of people you ask.
- viffer is also fat

Viffer feel free to quote this and post your stupid bs. This is coming from someone who has played with yer dumb ass before and was rather un-opinionated about you (but kind of liked you overall). Also I did not even bet a single dollar on the durr/jungleman challenge despite having ample opportunities. So i just decided to unleash my opinion on you from left field because you deserve it. Have a good day. And sorry for keeping it real. -_-.

You come across less intelligent than Viffer by posting this drivel. I have $ on Jungle and certainly don't agree with Viffer, but think parts of his opinion aren't completely ridiculous. The peanut gallery taking pot shots at him isn't what should be posted in this thread. While he may talk uneducated, posture unreasonably, and sometimes act like a child, at the end of the day everyone I know who has had dealings with Viffer for large $ has said he isn't scummy.

+1 for this, except for having any money on the challenge. Also, he's putting his money where his mouth is, you gotta respect that even if you think he's completely wrong.