Live 10-20 8 handed Im usually the most lag at table but withis villian makes me look like alan kessler. Villian has been 3 betting what seems like 40% of time and i'm starting to call a bit lighter as well as 4 bet which he is realizing. Only relevent hx was ~ 1 hr prior when we got it all in on a high board and i has top set and he had nut flush draw and gs for 150bb each and i held up.

Villian ~7700k and hero 8k. villian straddle as usual, hero mp dealt aj 3 limps to hero who tosses in 40 as well. i feel villian will raise and i want to just call with position and under repped hand. And sure enough villian pops to 210$ all fold to me and I call.
Flop jj4 Villian bets as usual 350$ I think hat he will call raise with ax and most pps, I pop to 900$(thoughts) villian re pops to 2200$ I feel its any jack down to j8s slight chance 44 and air thinking that im raising his cbet super light.I feel like a raise reps my hand but a call also looks strong(thoughts)
Turn 7 goes check and I check(thoughts)

River 5 Villian snap shoves ~psb I tank for a min sevens full ran through head but I thought I was ahead of range I toss in chips he quickly sais i rivered you and shows j5o. Thoughts on all streets

I have a hard time believing you play these stakes given how badly you've played the hands you post.

Flop play is bad, turn is worse, river as played is like always a call.

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how would you played it then jay? Im posting here for real advice not because i think im ivey. And i was a casual 2-5 player for years but happened to fall into a bunch of money so i wanted to play higher with hope of learning and testing skills. I also now like feeling the money won or lost the 2-5 just bores me now

Flop play seems perfect to me, if we take his word for it on Villain's calling range of the flop raise. We've obviously all been up against the type that would bet every flop and then at least call a raise with virtually everything A-hi+ in this spot. No matter how strong calling the flop 3b looks, it's far better than jamming when Villain's range definitely has lots of bluffs in it. Might as well bet the turn though, once he checks. River is the mother of all snapcalls. It would be a call getting ~2:1 even if we knew for certain Villain had trips or better.

If you could be more detailed in how i butcherd it. thanks

Sizing on flop raise is fine, I probably make it a little more. But when villain re-raises, to 2200 with about ~5k back, there's no reason to not just look to get it in on the turn at the latest. OP has his range on a jack or the cooler 44, and from the sounds of it villain is never folding. Checking back the turn is like the worst thing ever.

and jaylv, you said you liked my logic in other posts. Im just trying to approach things different.

my thoughts for checking back was on the chance he had air it lets him bet river as bluff or what villian thinks he may have as value. I think betting turn screams j.

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what baffles me is the ... "we're all playing super LAG and baller... 3..4 ... 5 betting all the mother****ing time and blah blah blah..." and then "theres a straddle, a few limpers, and I overlimp AJs...." okay buddy.

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I never said I liked your logic. I said it seems fine. But you go off and contradict yourself like 8 times in this thread. You're really just clicking buttons at live poker.

Your logic for not raising pre is incredibad if you think villain is going to raise, he's almost always calling a raise or 3betting since he's super lag blah blah blah. Opening then hooding his 3bet in position still leaves you "an underrepped hand"

You should stake me.

Yeah bet turn, Villain will never take 3bet flop c/f turn line. Flop line is fine, preflop is whatever, if you believe your read you could 3bet pre really.

I over limp with full intention on calling his raise. im sure im ahead of his range but dont really feel like raising then calling a reraise with my hand. I feelthat long term i make more $ this line. I fwwl on A hi flops i get 1 bet from him amd i can get away rather cheaply on qxx flops. or other whiffed flops. on paired boards ill have show down and can win and im not the biggest fan of putting huge chunks of stacks preflop.

I had a reason for all descisions. I think flop is what i would do with a bunch of hands. turn was sure i was ahead and wanted to call a river bet but reason for thinking on river is i dont just throw money out i like replaying hand and making sure. If after all that you still think iit was nad then i respect your opion but i just wanted to defend my actions

noted thanks for advice but i thought villian might have air aqnd w2ould fold turn and i wanted to give him a chance to bluff river say he has Ax or like 10s

really?

didn't you recently 4bet with 89s to like ~20% of stacks in a 5/10 game.

OP is getting undeserved hate. He posted a real hand and he is not sure if he butchered it or played well. You guys make it sound like only top pros play in live 10/20 games.

sigh...well here we go, 3 limps in front of you and you limp...mistake one
he pops and you flat thats fine with me but i would rather have seen you make a large open (180-200) IN POSTION VS THE VILLIAN and he 3bs and you call (say 700)to see the flop, that would make the pot like 1550. then from there he will lead im sure like 1100-1400 you can pop it to 3200, he flats. he checks you bet anything from half pot to all in and he either has to shove on you or fold that crap then and there... BET THE TURN DONT GIVE UBER LAGS FREE CARDS!!!!

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It's not that he played the hand poorly...Which he probably did.

It's that he asks for feedback, and then is like...welll uh, my logic was this, oh wait you contradicted me, but here my logic for that play is now entirely different...How's my play now? Oh still sucks...welllllll

He's either leveling to find out thinking or has really no clue what's going on. It just makes no sense 3 people limp/fold pre? Just fold to the LAG's c-bet on the flop too?

It all makes perfect sense if you divide stakes by 10...

just shove the flop... your shoving range is def wider than your calling range

for sure it's unlucky, at the time you probably thought that villain could have a worse jack here. in practice tho, villain was probably very very good and wasn't going to lose more than a 1/2 pot bet more after the flop action.

calling AJs in position occasionally preflop is obviously more than fine.

flatting his 3-bet on the flop is fine, too. doing anything else is just way too strong.

turn and river play really depends ... but in general you had pretty bad luck.

i can't see either one of you getting away from calling at least a 1/2 pot bet on the turn OR river. at the same time, given his river remark, i'm pretty confident villain wasn't calling a pot sized bet on either the turn or river, despite having trip jacks. he seems like an expert player.

i'd post in the mid stakes full ring section in general for live poker hand advice. the posters in this forum as a whole have neither the maturity nor skill set to provide constructive feedback. good luck.

1/2 online is considerably tougher than 10/20 live.