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07-30-2010 , 11:56 AM
20/40 live game with 4K - 8K buy in. Villian in this hand is one of the marks. He is the prototype older businessman with too much money and too much gamble. He won't fold draws until he has seen the river. Stacks are 13K effective.

There is a 80 straddle and villian opens to 300 from UTG + 2. Old fish calls and I repop it to 1400 from the SB with AA. Only the old fish calls (standard).

Flop comes K 10 9 with the 10 and 9 of hearts (I have the ace of hearts).

I lead for 2000 and villian immediately throws in four 500 chips for the call.

Turn is the 10 of spades.

The pot is a little over 7K and we both have close to 10K left.

Thoughts, action?
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07-30-2010 , 12:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Stranger123
20/40 live game with 4K - 8K buy in. Villian in this hand is one of the marks. He is the prototype older businessman with too much money and too much gamble. He won't fold draws until he has seen the river. Stacks are 13K effective.

There is a 80 straddle and villian opens to 300 from UTG + 2. Old fish calls and I repop it to 1400 from the SB with AA. Only the old fish calls (standard).

Flop comes K 10 9 with the 10 and 9 of hearts (I have the ace of hearts).

I lead for 2000 and villian immediately throws in four 500 chips for the call.

Turn is the 10 of spades.

The pot is a little over 7K and we both have close to 10K left.

Thoughts, action?
07-30-2010 , 01:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Stranger123
Thoughts,
This is so awesome omg i'm about to stack this fish, i bet he'll even call me with AQ, I just hope he doesn't have a ten!

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action?
On the off chance this guy knows to not call overbet all-ins w/just a draw, i would bet pot and fling in the last 3 on the river. If you think he'll call for any amount, just jam
07-30-2010 , 03:20 PM
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Originally Posted by FoxwoodsFiend
This is so awesome omg i'm about to stack this fish, i bet he'll even call me with AQ, I just hope he doesn't have a ten!
07-30-2010 , 06:15 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by FoxwoodsFiend
This is so awesome omg i'm about to stack this fish, i bet he'll even call me with AQ, I just hope he doesn't have a ten!



On the off chance this guy knows to not call overbet all-ins w/just a draw, i would bet pot and fling in the last 3 on the river. If you think he'll call for any amount, just jam

doesnt get any more precise than this.
07-30-2010 , 07:15 PM
i'd even bet 5000 because that's an easy amount to call with a draw! 7000 sounds like a lot more than 5000!
07-30-2010 , 07:49 PM
the fact that he puts his chips in so fast makes it more likely he hit a big hand (two pair, set, straight) instead of a draw IMO. but in this situation there isn't much you can do i don't think but bet the turn. also raise a bit more preflop to $1550-$2000
07-30-2010 , 07:58 PM
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Originally Posted by theBruiser500
the fact that he puts his chips in so fast makes it more likely he hit a big hand (two pair, set, straight) instead of a draw IMO. but in this situation there isn't much you can do i don't think but bet the turn. also raise a bit more preflop to $1550-$2000
i would say the opposite....often if a fish has a big hand he'll at least pause to consider if he should raise to "protect his hand".

altho now that i think more about it i think betting 5K in precisely one chip is the best course of action, as anytime you can let a fish call your bet with only a single chip it makes them way more likely to do so.
07-30-2010 , 10:10 PM
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Originally Posted by theBruiser500
the fact that he puts his chips in so fast makes it more likely he hit a big hand (two pair, set, straight) instead of a draw IMO. but in this situation there isn't much you can do i don't think but bet the turn. also raise a bit more preflop to $1550-$2000
no
07-30-2010 , 11:54 PM
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Originally Posted by riverboatking
i would say the opposite....often if a fish has a big hand he'll at least pause to consider if he should raise to "protect his hand".

altho now that i think more about it i think betting 5K in precisely one chip is the best course of action, as anytime you can let a fish call your bet with only a single chip it makes them way more likely to do so.
edit: as long as he has 5K chips obv.
if he doesn't have 5K chips just go all in.
07-31-2010 , 12:24 AM
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Originally Posted by theBruiser500
the fact that he puts his chips in so fast makes it more likely he hit a big hand (two pair, set, straight) instead of a draw IMO. but in this situation there isn't much you can do i don't think but bet the turn. also raise a bit more preflop to $1550-$2000
when calling so fast I'm more inlined to believe they have a draw they are happy with rather than a monster as with their draws most fish don't pause to think about anything but calling

as another poster said above me I would assume this player would take some time to think about whether raising our bet would be good

as played just put the rest of the money in on most rivers, as FWF said we should be pretty happy about this situation most of the time

just your hardest to hit an ace on the river too for the lock
07-31-2010 , 09:06 PM
All 3 options are okay here I believe, if you check he might just think his k3ss is the nuts and bet call it off , if u bet he's never folding anything that he called flop with and if the turn is checked through then just value bet almost every river.
07-31-2010 , 09:16 PM
I suspect that you have timing tells and other tells on this guy how he plays his draws, calling fast etc since you have seen him playing some draws already.

I bet 90% of the pot.
08-01-2010 , 08:08 AM
gota go with it imo, bet it all or bet close to pot and ship river
although i have to say, i think with his quick call he does have a lot of q10 j10 a10s in his range... unlucky if he does
08-02-2010 , 02:44 AM
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Originally Posted by ArmenH
if the turn is checked through then just value bet almost every river.
Why let villain see the river for free? If he's never folding a draw, make him put it in on the turn.
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