live 5/10 2k max bi

Villain is rich donk, enjoys putting people in difficult spots. has tabled the nuts on big river bets as well as 7 high. he is in to the game for about 5k and has run it up to 8, hero otb with 6k. the table has become overall very active with villain being driving force behind it. I have played multiple pots against him, calling down his three barrel with second pair being good. villain has been talking about how he is going to bluff me, lol. I think I messed this one up on all streets.

villain limps in mp, hero otb with JTo opens to 55, villain calls.

flop K Q 3 r ($125)

villain checks, hero bets 85, villain instantly raises to 300. hero calls.

turn J completing the rainbow. ($725)

villain quickly checks. hero checks.

river T ($725)

villain snap bets 500. hero?


ok, with such deep stacks how do we feel about 3betting flop, is the turn a bet after he gives up the lead? His bluffing range is about as wide as it gets on the flop, but obv so many bluffs on the flop are now straights. Opinions??? rebluff river?? lol

you played it fine. fold river. raising is the worst option, and is far worse than calling because he is essentially never bluffing with a better 2 pair here.

raising the flop lets him get really dirty against you. he will raise you correctly with tons of hands that have you beat pretty bad, and will also bluff you some if he really is as aggro as you're making him out to be. i think calling the flop is the best play. give it up on river.

Check the flop, fold the river. He's obviously sitting with the nuts here =\ I highly doubt he's bluffing.

You should probably call.

why should he check the flop?

I actually don't mind a 3bet on flop to say 1k. Need to give ourselves some more options incase different cards would have rolled off on the turn/river.

edit*, oh yeah fold river.

I would've played each street the same, so long as you folded river. Raising would be really bad.

Im having a hard time putting villain on ANY hand we beat here...

this deep, with position, against a guy like this, checking behind the flop is not just a small mistake imo it is a big mistake.

he either has str8 or your winning


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Im probably the only one but i prefer raising over calling.

Id probably go with fold>raise>call. Of course the math and ppl who know anything will prove me utterly wrong

strategic gem!

Flop: Bet harder, pot size or even more, hoping he just calls, and take free card if you miss turn.

River, as it played out, I'd fold. How would it feel to see Ace-rag here? heh

Why semibluff guy who never folds any pair? And may cr and fire away next streets lite. Not bad spot for pot controlling.

I don't see wrong w/ anything here. I'd definitely fold the river.

I hate spots like these because we are soooo deep vs a RICH donk....JT agianst this guy is not a hand we want to go broke on..even if we flopped pretty good for our hand...Im assuming this is a full table so why not limp behind otb...i may catch alot of flack for this but JT doesnt do too bad multiway especially when we flop something like an open ender...Isolating the donk is never bad obv but we are essentially building a bigger pot vs him and even tho we have position his aggressiveness might somehow affect our play and how we make decisions as is the case in this hand whereas its almost always an easy easy fold on the river...but instead it bothered u enough to post the hand. As played the river is an easy fold...never ever raising because he shows up with an ace like all the time here...calling is obv terrrible because he most likely has us beat anyway and were never pushing him off an ace (obv) but he might even call you down with a better two pair after all he is a donk with endless flow of cash....and raising puts you in a terrible spot where he might just raise bluff you with air....FOLD RIVER...i like the turn check buy why not double barrel it?? deep enough that if you hit the straight on river you can build a bigger pot to get paid off on...if he check raises turn then youre sad but you fold and move on to the next hand.

+1

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Maybe cause he won't have a king, queen, three or pocket pair every time?

raising is awful here as for the chat about the fact that he was going to bluff you hmmm that makes me more likly to call but with info still a fold but i think that its closer then alot of peps think.

hero fishes for information and with no viable signals snap folds

Ofc, but it was suggested that checking back would be a BIG mistake. I fail to see what makes ch back so awful. I see merits in both lines.

Because we're 600bb deep in position and we have 8 outs to the nuts. There's absolutely nothing wrong with inflating the pot a little so we can get paid off for stacks when we hit, especially with the added benefit that we have the potential to take it down. I like checking the turn too.

The river's a close spot. My first inclination would definitely be to try to get some sort of tell off him. Your average rich donk is going to be really bad about giving away information in river spots like this where his range is so polarized.

If he's not giving off tells, then it comes down to whether he's just loose/aggressive with a good enough understanding of the game to know not to turn hands with decent showdown value into bluffs (like say K7s) or whether he's just an all-out donk. From the description in the OP, I'd say there's a pretty good chance he's the latter in which case it's a call. If you're not sure, it's still a call.