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02-17-2013 , 11:45 AM
I am playing 25/50 with a mandatory 100$ straddle and in the co holding 64. A player in mid position calls and i raise, thinking ill most likely have position because dealer is nit and players AK, QQ and better. I raised to 375 and get 2 callers. I have table covered with effective stacks being about 12k. flop comes K54. it gets checked to me and i bet 675$ thinking i had 63 as opposed to 64. I get 2 callers and the turn is a 4 It gets checked to me and i check back and the river is an offsuit 2. I think i made the nuts and check my hand again and then realised that i turned trips. I dont think they can put me on a 4 because i checked back the turn. Early position bets and gets called. What do i do? I dont think raising is the best play but calling seems bad aswell.
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02-17-2013 , 11:55 AM
How much was bet? This is probably a r/f but need to know the river bet for our recommended sizing.
02-17-2013 , 11:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Dangle
How much was bet? This is probably a r/f but need to know the river bet for our recommended sizing.
Sorry, should have included that...

Bet was quite large. it was 2375
02-17-2013 , 12:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Koon93
Sorry, should have included that...

Bet was quite large. it was 2375
How capable is villain that called? Does he call off light or is he trying to keep you in the hand? That would be the only reason I find a fold, most likely just calling and nit rolling if we're good.
02-17-2013 , 01:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Koon93
I think i made the nuts and check my hand again and then realised that i turned trips. I dont think they can put me on a 4 because i checked back the turn. Early position bets and gets called. What do i do? I dont think raising is the best play but calling seems bad aswell.
you realize your relative hand strength with 64 is about the same as with 63 given villains river bet size right?

pretty unlikely he has A3 which is the only hand that it would make a diff obv.

only hand i'd be worried about is 55.
don't think you can do anything but call. don't think you ever have to worry about the caller unless he's super tricky and your hand is basically the very top of your range its way to exploitable to fold.
02-17-2013 , 02:07 PM
i play med stakes live cash.

would generally convince myself to never bluff in this spot cause i don't think middle man can fold his tp. so, maybe that's an argument for raising here for value.

i mean, guy 2 always has a k. i'd put oop man on kq-ak majority of time as well. he could also have some bricked draws, but even if he's just folding those, the man stuck in the middle can still pay you off.

so, i guess i'm saying even tho sometimes guy 1 has a FH some small %, guy 2 has tp some large %. haven't done any math, but seems like raising could be best.
02-17-2013 , 04:53 PM
k, starting to feel dumb. but rbk, are you saying you're only raising boats for value here? would you ever bluffraise?
02-17-2013 , 05:20 PM
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Originally Posted by potbets
k, starting to feel dumb. but rbk, are you saying you're only raising boats for value here? would you ever bluffraise?
no i'm not saying that. i was just commentating because he made a point of saying how he misread his hand and thought he had the "nuts" then realized he only had trips, when in actuality they're about the same thing.

there are def situations i could see a raise being +ev, just depends on your opponents.

but i'm def not the most qualified person to comment.
02-18-2013 , 02:35 AM
I moved all in on the river and got snap called so fast that I thought I was dead. Ill say what he had in a bit.
02-18-2013 , 01:39 PM
You were up against KQs?
02-18-2013 , 01:49 PM
Seems like a no brainer call, raising is really ambitious... Especially v that sizing.
02-18-2013 , 02:21 PM
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Originally Posted by charder30
Seems like a no brainer call, raising is really ambitious... Especially v that sizing.
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02-18-2013 , 03:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Koon93
I moved all in on the river and got snap called so fast that I thought I was dead. Ill say what he had in a bit.
well on the river you are either alive or dead lol, you either have the best hand or you don't

what was the real hand that happened
02-18-2013 , 06:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Koon93
I moved all in on the river and got snap called so fast that I thought I was dead. Ill say what he had in a bit.
Are you Jason Koon? Cause if so your image plays into this hand a lot.
02-18-2013 , 11:02 PM
He had flopped top 2.
02-19-2013 , 03:43 AM
Other villain who folded say what he had?
02-19-2013 , 06:58 AM
Well he said he called because he didn't even notice the board paired and I don't know what the other villain had.
02-19-2013 , 07:45 AM
Haha you misread your hand and the other chap called because he didn't realise the board paired. Was there a naked chick dancing next to the table or something?!
02-19-2013 , 07:48 AM
I mean he 'claimed' that he didn't see the board pairing but I mean, I obvs don't have aces so he beats all kings etc. maybe he said it too save some face
02-19-2013 , 05:04 PM
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Originally Posted by charder30
Seems like a no brainer call, raising is really ambitious... Especially v that sizing.
This.

Misplaying hands (whether the result of mis-read or brain fart) often lands you in spots where you're choosing between two seemingly suboptimal plays, like here. I'm calling nearly always.
02-22-2013 , 03:17 AM
so, if you think the river raise is ambitious, would you be 3 barreling this spot w AA? if you correctly read your hand here, would you be 3 barreling?
02-22-2013 , 03:21 AM
Of course
02-22-2013 , 04:36 AM
funny? lol

I misread my hand I thought I had the nuts, but evidently I only have trips what should I do?

You sir are a NIT $2,300 is not a "fairly large" bet considering you have trips...but I never played $25/50 ring game so I have no idea
02-22-2013 , 01:35 PM
i mean, op says he "obv doesn't have aces," when aces and ak are obv the biggest part of his 3 barreling range. just think its interesting most people would think this is a no brainer 3-barrel, but as soon as they chk back the turn, raising the river for value w AA becomes "ambitious."
02-23-2013 , 02:34 AM
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Originally Posted by potbets
i mean, op says he "obv doesn't have aces," when aces and ak are obv the biggest part of his 3 barreling range. just think its interesting most people would think this is a no brainer 3-barrel, but as soon as they chk back the turn, raising the river for value w AA becomes "ambitious."
you really can't see the difference between triple barreling when checked too, and raising the river after checking the turn and getting donked into on the river?
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