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2 spots in which i want to shove the turn? 2 spots in which i want to shove the turn?

07-13-2009 , 02:59 PM
I made a thin vlaue bet vs Villain on another table during the last 5mins and he called, he plays 30/22 and is agressive postflop. Right now i am not sure how to really rate him

Poker Stars $10/$20 No Limit Hold'em - 5 players
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UTG: $2000.00
CO: $2048.00
BTN: $7987.00
Hero (SB): $2040.00
BB: $3579.20

Pre Flop: ($30.00) Hero is SB with 5 6
1 fold, CO raises to $60, BTN calls $60, Hero raises to $280, 2 folds, BTN calls $220

Flop: ($640.00) J K 2 (2 players)
Hero bets $320, BTN calls $320

Turn: ($1280.00) 8 (2 players)

Do you like a bet/shove here? Normally his preflop loine indicates SC or SPP.
So a shove should show a profit, but....


H2) Villain was 30/18 over 10 hands, so no history.

Poker Stars $10/$20 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
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CO: $2067.90
BTN: $6722.00
SB: $2000.00
BB: $2407.00
Hero (UTG): $3720.00
MP: $2017.00

Pre Flop: ($30.00) Hero is UTG with A T
Hero raises to $65, 1 fold, CO calls $65, 3 folds

Flop: ($160.00) 2 4 2 (2 players)
Hero bets $110, CO raises to $280, Hero raises to $580, CO calls $300

Turn: ($1320.00) 4 (2 players)
Hero bets $3075 all in,

Now there only 1 combination of 4 left and A2, which should be in his preflop and flop calling range (44). There are 2 questions, will he ever fold 88+ here and if yes, how many worse draws will he play like that?

Last edited by recallme; 07-13-2009 at 03:05 PM.
07-13-2009 , 03:10 PM
horrible spots to shove, particularly the first. i'd prob flat the flop raise on #2 readless. i mean you have literally 0% pot equity when called in #1, and probably not a great deal of fold equity, so what does that say about shoving?
07-13-2009 , 03:35 PM
1) I think he'd fold TT and lower PPs on the flop since he can't stand any heat, but he might turn it into a bluff in some weird way - but you'd have to fold to any kind of raise and if he has got the least bit of a hand your EQ is almost 0%.
So i'm going for a c/f on the turn most of the time (i don't expect him to float with total air in this spot oftentimes since your range is somewaht strong and he might not fold QTish hands).

2) I like the 3bet at the flop but you should definitely make it bigger! He gets almost 4:1 odds - i don't think you'd 3bet that small with something like AA/KK.
He'll talk himself into calling almost any pair given these odds. If you 3bet bigger you'll have more foldequity [you'll get it in vs his good hands anyway].
Unfortunately he might fold a flushdraw, but if you make it like 800 he'll still get 3:1 and might call worse draws.
07-13-2009 , 03:50 PM
if you shove either of these then I dont know what to say..........
07-14-2009 , 11:27 AM
First one is alot better bluff spot. There you can credibly rep many hands even if you are squeezing alot.
07-14-2009 , 11:38 AM
Example 1.
I think you can shove here profitable sometimes if you think that his peel flop/fold turn range is wide- which I actually think it is vs many players w that loose stats.

Example 2.
I think it's spew. Which hands that are not flushes do you play this way?

Edit: Oh yeah btw, ty for posting hands and such. Really cool.
07-14-2009 , 02:39 PM
ok, the hands you post just cannot be real. are you just trying to see what regs say about poker in spots or just waste all our lives 1 minute at a time?
07-15-2009 , 06:34 AM
I hate a shove in hand 1. His range for calling your flopbet will definitely call a turnshove most of the time.

I'm not sure about hand 2. You could play A2 and TT+ like this, he has like 88-TT or a worse draw a great % of the time. I think he might fold these to a turnpush. I'm curious for the outcome of hand 2 tbh.
07-15-2009 , 07:53 AM
Sorry, I just moved up to 5/10 a month ago but when you say that we have basically no FE in hand 1, is that because you think that villain made his decision to go with the hand once he peeled the flop ? If so, isn't that gonna be extremely easy to exploit in future 3bet pots ?
07-30-2009 , 05:51 PM
1)Is shoving hand 1 really that bad? I dont think so

2) is really bad shove...
07-30-2009 , 06:26 PM
Am I the only one who dislikes raising pre in hand 1?
Playing that hand OOP vs an aggressive player, im sure your going to struggle.

Last edited by Happystacka; 07-30-2009 at 06:51 PM.

      
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