He knows that iam aggressive and probably knows that i started a shot today, because i never play Nl5k vs him before. He is a very good reg and runs 6max sth like 24/20

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BB: $11851.00
CO: $8843.00
Hero (BTN): $5301.00
SB: $5496.00

Pre Flop: Hero is BTN with Q Q
1 fold, Hero raises to $160, SB calls $135, 1 fold

Flop: ($370.00) Q 2 4 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $300, SB raises to $800,

Am i calling and try to get it in a safe turn, or just 3betting?
If i call how do i proceed on a c turn?


2nd

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Hero (BTN): $5133.00
SB: $10656.00

Pre Flop: Hero is BTN with Q Q
Hero raises to $160, SB calls $135, 1 fold

Flop: ($370.00) 9 A 8 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks

Turn: ($370.00) A (2 players)
SB bets $288, Hero calls $288

River: ($946.00) 5 (2 players)
SB bets $744

Is a call here standard or spew?

Hand 1: if u call the flop and we're assuming he check-raises a pretty wide range on the flop, then the question is to call or jam the turn. He might think u play scared momies, then i like a turn call.

HAnd 2: close, he'll see your range as: TT-KK,9x,8x a lot. Is he expecting u to fold those hands? Is he valuebetting very light? I think a fold is ok.

Hand 1: play it like you would play your draws, merge that ****
Hand 2: He could definately have an ace (planning to c/r flop) but you definately don't because you checked behind on the flop. If you think he knows this, i call.

I am villain,

for what it's worth i think recallme seemed more happy to put money in than usual even though stakes were higher than usual.

holy **** i play nl200 and never even considered posting in the hsnl forum, but how in the world do you NOT know how to play these hands?! srsly wtf??

he plays nl5000, you play nl200, ul

Hand 2 is a fold he probably has like Ace 3 of clubs or something.

you love recallme so much

+1

Hand 1:

I think against a good villain you should choose a good overall strategy. Do you check hands like TT behind or do you bet them on this flop? But i strongly disaggree that you should play your sets like your draws. His checkraisingrange consist on pure bluffs/22,44/a Queen. You take out 2 Queens so i think it is more likely that he is on a pure bluff. That´s why i call this flop to perhaps 95%. It is much better to play AA like a draw than a Set of Queens.

Hand 2:

There aren´t to many combinations for Ax. I don´t like calling the turn and folding the River. Okay, his bluffing range decreases but he could be valuebetting TT+ again. I would more consider a fold on the turn than on the River.

The best way to play some spotts change from limit to limit...

Hand 1 - I cant see either option being that bad, calling can put you in some bad spots but he is pretty unlikely to even have a hand here very often.

Hand 2 - I dont think i would ever fold here.

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BB: $11851.00
CO: $8843.00
Hero (BTN): $5301.00
SB: $5496.00

Pre Flop: Hero is BTN with Q Q
1 fold, Hero raises to $160, SB calls $135, 1 fold

Flop: ($370.00) Q 2 4 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $300, SB raises to $800, Hero calls $500

Turn: ($1970.00) K (2 players)
[color=red]SB bets $1268[/color


[QUOTE=Scipio;4719272]Hand 1:

I think against a good villain you should choose a good overall strategy. Do you check hands like TT behind or do you bet them on this flop? But i strongly disaggree that you should play your sets like your draws. His checkraisingrange consist on pure bluffs/22,44/a Queen. You take out 2 Queens so i think it is more likely that he is on a pure bluff. That´s why i call this flop to perhaps 95%. It is much better to play AA like a draw than a Set of Queens.

This was exaclty my thinking, and because of that i called. He has for sure some FD in his range, but i don`t know if i get him to commit any more chips if i 3bet. How am i proceeding now?



PS:
Ah and by the way, i called a turn bet after we checked both flop and he showed T high at showdown.

nobrainer turnpush?

Hand 1 I like a smallish 3-bet to induce a shove from a club draw and also if he has flopped 2p or has a made hand then he's more likely to get it in on the flop.

Hand 2 I probably call the river a good amount of the time but I like a flop bet in these spots if you're in position.

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BB: $11851.00
CO: $8843.00
Hero (BTN): $5301.00
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Pre Flop: Hero is BTN with Q Q
1 fold, Hero raises to $160, SB calls $135, 1 fold

Flop: ($370.00) Q 2 4 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $300, SB raises to $800, Hero calls $500

Turn: ($1970.00) K (2 players)
[color=red]SB bets $1268[/color


He can have 35 here with 1 club and easily play it this way. Ac4x and the same thing.

Villain is calling PFRs out of the SB with 35o and A4o?

deeznuts does and he racks up huge wins. i think he might be a movie star too because his waiting lists are usually 70 deep.

reraise first hand and bet the flop on second hand. as played, i dont see how you can fold river. you have no real information. its a "wash" hand. you'll catch your share of bluffs and ......trips, unfortunately.

besides, its a 3 handed game, dont most players 3 bet button openers with a decent ace? i guess thats enough info to call the river.

what kind of an idiotic post is this? first of all, if you are a 200NL player, recallme could wax the floor with you and you have no place insulting him like that. and secondly, both hands are perfectly good ones for analysis. seriously, what value did you think your post would bring to this thread?

as for the hands, I think the fact that the raise is a little on the smaller side 'MIGHT' indicate that he has a stone bluff or a made hand rather than a draw (I would expect a draw to raise to 1K or more). obviously that is player dependent. I like a call here, but as another poster said, you have to merge the way you play this hand with the way you'd play a big draw here.

as for the second hand, it is harder to evaluate and advise since it is so much a function of your opponents' frequencies and his image of you. your hand strength is pretty well defined here - so if you think he would try to take you off a hand like that, then you can call.

a flop bet on hand 2? worse hands fold, better hands call, you have two outs if you are behind, and he probably has two outs if you are ahead. this is a classic wa/wb case. I think that a flop bet would be a very bad idea. its fine to flip your cards up on this one if you have a good handle on how often/likely your opponent would be to try to move you off it.

Hand 1: Since opponent is good, he's not putting more money into the pot no matter how much you try to make him unless he is on a draw and makes a better hand than you, or he pairs his 4 or 2 (he hits a negative 2 outer). Chances are in other words slim that u win more than is already in the pot unless he outdraws you on turn. Therefore a call is HORRIBLE, and a raise big enough to commit you to the hand on turn is correct. Put in another raise to at least 2000, I would make it even more. No matter what turn card the rest should be pushed in if called. If he seems to think herocalling for a coinflip is cool I don't see any good argument for not pushing all in pretending to have the flushdraw or overpair (making a pair or a flushdraw with 2 overs a coinflip-call in his mind depending on situation)

Hand 2: If you check flop and call turn, anything but a call on the river is ridiculous unless he is a bad player not capable of firing a second bullet on river (and from what you say I would assume he is capable) I prefer bet flop and fold to ANY action or check flop, fold turn. This might sound really stupid but the reason I can check and fold this turn is that he doesn't know I'm actually folding a hand that is likely the best. It's IMO a perfect spot to be "secret tight". I think it's a 0 EV or very small +/- EV choice compared to calling down anyways. You'll fold the best a lot, but it really doesn't matter, it's not a good spot to gamble anyways, and ANY good player should double barrel you if you check flop and call that turn with bluff/you beat according to your tendencies giving him the advantage.


EDIT: I'm usually a lurker but am a winning player very shorthanded/HU at 10/20 and found theese hands interesting enough to comment since I think I play them different than a lot of the other winners at same stakes. I'm not sure that my advice is the best, looking for critics.

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Your answers were well thought, but i think calling H1 is in no means horrible. 3betting is perhaps the better option, but the question is, would he 4bet his draw vs me.
He can`t have 2pairs in this spot, perhaps some TP´ish hands. I expect him to be able to fire turn again with a pur bluff or semi bluff in a 3handed game, so a call isn`t that bad.



CO: $8843.00
Hero (BTN): $5301.00
SB: $5496.00

Pre Flop: Hero is BTN with Q Q
1 fold, Hero raises to $160, SB calls $135, 1 fold

Flop: ($370.00) Q 2 4 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $300, SB raises to $800, Hero calls $500

Turn: ($1970.00) K (2 players)
[color=red]SB bets $1268[/color



What are your turn and river thoughts now?

[QUOTE=recallme;4761389] that would be funny if he had kkk.

If villain thinks that you would have 3bet a FD on the flop then a turn shove is really confusing and could defiantly induce bad calls. However saying that we believe that villain range is weighted towards air in which case call would be best, unless you feel you can induce with a mini raise or such?

[QUOTE=recallme;4761389]

"I hate this spot" would be my first thought. I think raising is bad, it will fold out the hands we beat. I think folding is bad, because our hand is often best, and when it's not we have a 10-outs-draw that will be paid off. So I call, knowing that river will be a spot I'll hate just as much. I need a player-dependant read, timing tell or pure luck to make the correct decision on river. I don't think the river is must-call/push or must-fold unless we fill up.

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