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04-07-2008 , 02:38 PM
whats the chance this guy totally donked it up and played his hand backwards with the nus, doesnt realize what sort of mystical realm of metagame that he has caused and thinks you have a set/bottom end and wants you to play bad?

thats what i think is going on here and you can probably safely fold

has anybody ever thought about the fact that he could be totally overplaying AA?
04-07-2008 , 06:59 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by irockhoess
I thought about this too. Honestly I think this is a pretty awful way to play almost any hand he has. I think the argument to fold is "its live and people always have the nuts in big pots" which holds some water. I don't know its very hard to put him on a range here i generally do give live players much more credit but it just seems here he is making big stand/move here with a combo draw or some hand (also the nuts a percent of the time but i think small enough to get it in).
That bad image the op thinks he has is a confusing part for me. I mean its really the only thing that is keeping me from saying, "you guys are nuts to ship it in here".

Is the youngish person who he thinks is an internet player paying attention to your image. Has he been there the whole time you've been playing. If he has been there the whole time whats your read on him? What pots have you seen him in, and how strong were his hands in relationship to his betting? I mean if he thinks your a sam farha type, then I definetly think your st8 does way better against his 3bet range here of 88,99,10j,multiple combo draws, and the other 56. If this guy has AA here hes just sick beyond comprehension.
04-07-2008 , 07:30 PM
1,496 games 0.005 secs 299,200 games/sec

Board: 7s 8h 3c 9s
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 37.400% 33.29% 04.11% 498 61.50 { 6d5d }
Hand 1: 62.600% 58.49% 04.11% 875 61.50 { 99-77, 33, AsTs, KsTs, QsTs, JTs, 65s, JTo }
04-07-2008 , 09:11 PM
first off stop dropping the pokerstrove insight like its god.

secondly if youre going to do it try harder.

stoves calculations are flat not averaged. our villian is not as equally as likely to have JTs as he is to have 88.

however trimming down that range so that its weighed a little more even we'll shave off a few hands. im taking out 33 because i dont think villian wants to turn that hand into a bluff.

Also ill remove 6s5s because hero already holds one combination of 65.

take away 2 of the combo draws leaving the made hand JTss and ATss so hes not ever drawing to JUST chop the pot if he cant hit a 6 or J for a win. im arguing out a pure bluff of any kind because 1) theyre so deep 2) v1 is oop but for obvious reasons more 1 than 2.

so

Board: 7s 8h 3c 9s
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 33.202% 33.20% 00.00% 336 0.00 { 6d5d }
Hand 1: 66.798% 66.80% 00.00% 676 0.00 { 99-77, AsTs, JsTs, JTo


which unfortunately still puts hero in a pretty bad spot.

fwiw if i am villian one who started this check the two hands i would want to CHECK RAISE 3 bet this with are ATss and JTss. it could be a little FPS with a JTo but hell you said you had a bad/splashy image id check it to you in that pot with the nuts too.
04-07-2008 , 09:40 PM
edit:misread the action

Last edited by Surf; 04-07-2008 at 11:18 PM.
04-07-2008 , 10:09 PM
its not frannnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn
04-07-2008 , 10:09 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by dw2006
I think Fran has JT here over 90% of the time. So the pokerstove stuff posted here is pretty ridiculous.

fran folded it doesnt matter what he has. v1 check raised (youngish internet pro)
04-07-2008 , 10:24 PM
oh i'm ******ed, wish i could edit.
04-07-2008 , 11:18 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by dw2006
oh i'm ******ed, wish i could edit.
Got you covered, haha.

Surf
04-07-2008 , 11:43 PM
The guy has 10-j end of story and he is putting OP on a set and wants to make him pay.

He cbets witha gutshot and overcards... nails it on the turn and checks to make it look like he's giving up.. see's the action and evaluates what opponents might have.. sets are pretty much it so he raises the **** outta it. very easy fold IMO
04-08-2008 , 12:30 AM
ok well i went allin he folded aces face up ez game, lets all move on
04-08-2008 , 01:01 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by g-p
ok well i went allin he folded aces face up ez game, lets all move on
wat

I was going to say fold if he is good and don't fold if he sucks and does this with sets, two pair, or the nuts (AA).
04-08-2008 , 01:15 AM
live poker will never die.
04-08-2008 , 01:19 AM
yea i was kidding, it was JT. i need to get better at reading live tells so i can figure out these decisions maybe.
04-08-2008 , 01:19 AM
How can he have AA, I'm so confused.
04-08-2008 , 01:24 AM
im so good at telling internet jokes





HE DIDNT HAVE AA
04-08-2008 , 02:14 AM
laydown i think ur in real bad shape and pick a better spot give ur image
04-08-2008 , 03:08 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by g-p
yea i was kidding, it was JT. i need to get better at reading live tells so i can figure out these decisions maybe.
Gp given the situation u do have 2nd nuts he never has 106. If it wasnt for your image you portrayed I'd a said you really messed up, but given your image at the time I think its ok/borderline against his range. I definetly am not results oriented, and sorry to hear he had the top end of his range. The thing about that particular hand is hes never drawing dead against you, but you are drawing dead against him at least 50% of the time (u think this is a fair assumption or should it be less?), and he has AT LEAST 30% equity with all of his other range against your 2nd nuts. Appreciate you posting the hand.
04-08-2008 , 01:47 PM
Whenever I read High Stakes NL it seems that no one has any idea how live poker plays. The ranges are just much much much tighter/polarized than online.
04-08-2008 , 01:55 PM
dont see why you wouldnt get it in. maybe dont be happy about it but with your image you pretty much have to. too much metagame live vs lag players to justify a fold vs an utg raiser

and aejones i dont see how this decision is much closer with T6 :|?...
04-08-2008 , 04:39 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by PoorUser
dont see why you wouldnt get it in. maybe dont be happy about it but with your image you pretty much have to. too much metagame live vs lag players to justify a fold vs an utg raiser

and aejones i dont see how this decision is much closer with T6 :|?...
i think he can have 56 himself, and us having a 10 gives him less combos of JT
04-08-2008 , 05:18 PM
roger that
04-08-2008 , 07:01 PM
and chop outs !

      
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