10/20 flop nuts vs donk...siiick turn deep
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i honestly dont know why my intital raise wasnt bigger - i think i shouldve made it at least 500 to go and obv stick it in if he comes over the top of me.
results were i mucked the turn - id ive still heard a lot of people say its an easy fold, and a lot of people that its definitely a call, so i think some more discussion on that could be pretty interesting
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people who say this is a call are wrong more than 9/10 times. just because a fish open shoves instead of getting trappy doesn't narrow his range to less than full houses.
I really doubt he plays any random A this way, and what king does he play this way KQ? It seems pretty unlikely, granted it may happen once in awhile but certainly not enough to justify calling this turn AI.
given the pre and post flop tendencies described you can safely fold this turn, but i'd like to resonant the dominant belief in this the thread that overshoving your fourth or fifth bet on the flop is the best line. it doesn't seem like he's bluffing, and he will never fold AK or better.
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i just wanted to add that i don't think any A plays this way because it would likely go into checkcall mode with the flop action due to it's showdown value. fish generally aren't smart enough to bluff with a made hand or to VB this thinly (pretty much impossible to VB this with the described dynamic).
and lastly the only thing that warrants flatting this flop after 4/5 bets is if you strongly suspect the guy is bluffing, and again, it doesn't seem that way, so just shove.
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this is a very easy turn decision imo
i think dov, stinger and cameron have all mentioned some pretty important stuff though...basically you should be thinkin outside the box to better exploit this guy
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Originally Posted by rand
basically you should be thinkin outside the box to better exploit this guy
wat?