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SHOOTAA hand review: cold calling a three bet deep stacked SHOOTAA hand review: cold calling a three bet deep stacked

08-28-2012 , 01:27 AM
Hey guys!

I've got another hand review for you. If you like these videos, please share them with your TwoPlusTwo crew and help spread the word. I'd love some hands to review, so feel free to post your HH in the comments of this thread along with your praise and/or criticisms and maybe I'll choose your hand for my next video.

Cold Calling Three-Bets Deep Stacked

All the best, guys. Enjoy!

Reid
08-28-2012 , 04:38 PM
Hi, I enjoyed the video. My thoughts (longer than I intended):

Preflop is obv non-standard but you give good reasoning. I disagree with your emphasis on us being "super deep" since we're only 150bb effective, but I like the idea of repping a stronger preflop range than 66 and therefore inducing mistakes postflop. It's such a simple concept but not one I use enough. It's easy to just get into a preflop "system", forgetting the goal in poker is to get our opponent to make more mistakes than us. Sometimes this means deviating from standard and non GTO strategies (I assume cold calling 66 is slightly GTO negative but I could be wrong) as long as they make more mistakes than us. This is what Isildur is the master of IMO - making mistakes to make his opponents make bigger ones.
You mention he has a linear sizing tell on the flop but don't consider his 4.5x 3bet which is not standard even vs a minraise. Don't you think this strengthens his range?

Flop. You say as a throwaway line we could almost just call to turn/river a set. My instinct was that there's no way that's true - we have ~5% chance of this happening but considering we only need ~24% equity to call that means we need implied odds of like $80 or so when we do make a set. I don't think our implied odds are that good and we probably couldn't call the cbet to setmine profitably but it was a bit closer than I thought. Of course this wasn't the reason for calling but just a small aside that made me think

Turn. Someone mentioned it in the thread about the risk of getting bluffed off our perceived underpairs (88-JJ) makes the float bad. I'm not sure and it depends on the villain. On one hand we have every PP on the turn that is in our range pre given they would always makes 2nd pair on the flop. Are you folding to a turn barrel when a K or Q hits? I think it's a tough spot given he'd barrel his air a large amount of the time. When he checks I agree we should bluff - it's a spot where we rep almost no air and his range is mainly midstrength hands that fold by the river. I love the call-inducing sizing, I know that's something DrGiggy talks about a lot and it makes sense to use it here.

River. Our only real question is "how small can I bet to properly rep top pair?". I like the sizing you went for and agree he might call with AJ (even though it's still only a bluffcatcher).

Overall: the board ran out perfectly for us to execute this bluff - the texture allows us to float the flop and still have an ultra strong perceived range by the river. This won't be the case always so this hand doesn't necessarily justify the preflop call; nevertheless imo it's likely still profitable with the possibility of bluffs combined with flopping sets 150bb deep.

Just a cool example of how profitable misrepping our range can be. Also loved the Galfondesque "take care" at the end. Thanks for posting, A+ video imo.
08-28-2012 , 08:59 PM
Revolution Gaming Network - $0.50 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

MP: $46.25
CO: $51.35
BTN: $100.50
SB: $49.50
BB: $52.10
Hero (UTG): $52.25

SB posts SB $0.25, BB posts BB $0.50

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.75) Hero has T A

Hero raises to $1.75, fold, fold, BTN calls $1.75, fold, fold

Flop: ($4.25, 2 players) 4 5 5
Hero bets $2.84, BTN calls $2.84

Turn: ($9.93, 2 players) 5
Hero bets $9.93, BTN calls $9.93

River: ($29.79, 2 players) 8
Hero raises to $37.73 and is all-in,

villain 24/21/9 ovr 1.2k btn 3b of 5
fold flp cbet 52
fold trn cbet 50
fold riv n/a
wtsd 28
08-28-2012 , 11:51 PM
Damn, dude. Well glad you enjoyed the video. Lemme wade through this beast of a post...

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Originally Posted by JohnnyPanic
I disagree with your emphasis on us being "super deep" since we're only 150bb effective, but I like the idea of repping a stronger preflop range than 66 and therefore inducing mistakes postflop.
Yeah, I think you're right. Maybe I was just excited! I think the play can look stronger with slightly shorter stack sizes to different players. It is a pretty player dependent time to represent strength, for sure.

Quote:
Originally Posted by JohnnyPanic
You mention he has a linear sizing tell on the flop but don't consider his 4.5x 3bet which is not standard even vs a minraise. Don't you think this strengthens his range?
I guess I did forget to mention it. The only reason was is that was his standard.

Quote:
Originally Posted by JohnnyPanic
My instinct was that there's no way that's true - we have ~5% chance of this happening but considering we only need ~24% equity to call that means we need implied odds of like $80 or so when we do make a set. I don't think our implied odds are that good and we probably couldn't call the cbet to setmine profitably but it was a bit closer than I thought. Of course this wasn't the reason for calling but just a small aside that made me think
I get what you're saying. What I was planning is that he would either bet the turn with his Ax hands (all his value range going for three streets) or check-fold at some point in the hand if he checked the turn. That's a HUGE point of the hand I didn't explain. So my thoughts were we either have the insane implied odds we need to turn a six or we win when the player checks to us. Win-win.

Quote:
Originally Posted by JohnnyPanic
Are you folding to a turn barrel when a K or Q hits? I think it's a tough spot given he'd barrel his air a large amount of the time.
I do remember feeling frisky at the time! I think I'd be a bit more likely to fold a king just because I don't think he three-bet hands like QJ or QT as often as hands like KJ or QK. So if he were to randomize by equity, I do much better as far as stopping a river bet by calling some non-king turn that he'd barrel with a gutter. I also thought that there were zero chance he'd three-barrel as a bluff or check-call the river.

Quote:
Originally Posted by JohnnyPanic
Also loved the Galfondesque "take care" at the end. Thanks for posting, A+ video imo.
Thanks, man!

      
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