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08-15-2011 , 10:57 AM
You mentioned that reshoving ranges are an important part of superturbos strategy. With that in mind I had the following idea (actually taken from a Mersenneary video):
- Assume a calling range for villain
- For each possible hand and stack size, calculate the minimum button opening frequency so that shoving from the BB over his minraise is better than folding.
- Also calculate the minimum button opening frequency so that shoving is better than calling (assuming the expectation from calling is just 1 bb, since playing OOP is difficult).

Repeat the process for a different calling range (estimate ranges that fit the population: nit, standard, spewtard, etc.). This is a very tedious process, but can easily be done with computers.

How useful do you think this could be in practice and thoughts on improvements/flaws? One possible flaw is assuming the expectation from calling is 1bb but it is very difficult to estimate this expectation.

How would you go about making similar calculations for open shoving vs min raising from the SB?

Last edited by erdnase17; 08-15-2011 at 11:17 AM.
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08-15-2011 , 11:42 AM
I recall a thread a few weeks ago in which you said that you couldn't understand higher stakes regs who'd only play enough to make a good living but wasted their remaining time doing other things. I thought about your point of view quite a bit but have trouble understanding it completely.

You apparently dedicated your life to poker for a few years. I can respect that. I admire it to be honest, I can't dedicate myselve to anything.

I however have trouble understanding your drive. I take it that at first you played loads because you liked the intellectual challenge and the monetary reward for skill. Now you still play 8+ hours a day while you don't enjoy it all that much anymore.

Currently the sole reason you play poker is to make money if I understand you correctly. Money is no goal, it's a means to an end. My question is: to what end are you spending entire days grinding poker?
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08-15-2011 , 12:03 PM
- Have you ever been cheated?
- Are you afraid of being cheated, did you have suspicions of being cheated at one point?
- Is it easy to move big amounts of poker money around without interference by the Dutch authorities?
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08-15-2011 , 12:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Air-Bear
Currently the sole reason you play poker is to make money if I understand you correctly. Money is no goal, it's a means to an end. My question is: to what end are you spending entire days grinding poker?
He's already answered this question, he's not sure which end, but the fact is that this is an extremely good opportunity to make money, and since there are a lot of things in life that would require you to have enough money to either pay for it or to to keep yourself alive because the passion you have at that time does not bring in any money. Since he hasn't found anything yet that he wanted to do badly enough it's a waste not to make as much as you can to make your possibilities of doing whatever you want later as big as possible.
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08-15-2011 , 01:02 PM
- Do you listen to music while playing? Which genre?
- Do you think the right kind of music can make you play better (I'm not talking about putting you in a better mood which usually results into playing better, but I'm talking about music that 'opens' your brain so it can be more productive, kind of like the chewing on gum trick).
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08-15-2011 , 02:07 PM
You see a cash player with a decent reputation sitting at 5.5ks and play him. How many games does it take you to decide whether the person you're playing against is good or totally ******ed?

Last edited by Maruchan; 08-15-2011 at 02:26 PM. Reason: lol thanks primo
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08-15-2011 , 02:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Maruchan
You see an unknown sitting at 5.5ks and play him. How many games does it take you to decide whether the person you're playing against is good or totally ******ed?
always ******ed , otherwise he wouldn't be an unknown! ;P
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08-15-2011 , 03:26 PM
have you ever bragged about how much $ u have? like got drunk one time and tried to impress a girl/boy by saying ''shiit shawtey, I have $1 000 000 in the bank, let me clap them cheeks''
?
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08-15-2011 , 03:31 PM
where do you currently live?
do you smoke weed? if so, how often?
do you appreciate life?
what grade would you give your own life as of now, scale 1-10?
do you see yourself playing poker in ~5 years?

sorry if any of these questions have been asked already, haven't caught up to this thread yet. thanks for doing this.
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08-15-2011 , 03:52 PM
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Originally Posted by PrimordialAA
always ******ed , otherwise he wouldn't be an unknown! ;P
or it could be jungleman or dih
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08-15-2011 , 03:54 PM
wp
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08-15-2011 , 04:48 PM
  • How much harder was it to get to where you are, compared to how much effort you thought you had to put in to be one of the best?
  • How many hours do you think you have put into poker, lifetime?
  • How did you balance - grinding, HH, forum, videos, any other method?
  • How important is it to work on your mental game?
  • How big is it to get coached?
  • What do you think about staking? When should you try to get staked?
  • What are the 3 main factors/abilities that separates a winner from a breakeven player?


Hoera voor een geweldige thread bro
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08-15-2011 , 06:12 PM
When calculating 3bet jams, what readless calling ranges would you give villain at 20bb, 15bb and 10bb?
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08-15-2011 , 08:01 PM
prob more a Q for R-Q but from what you know, thoughts on negreanu's husng game?
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08-15-2011 , 08:12 PM
<3 H2Olga
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08-15-2011 , 09:32 PM
difference between
0BB - 25BB - 50BB - 100BB - 200-250BB+ stack sizes?
one tip for every deep?
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08-15-2011 , 09:46 PM
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Originally Posted by fastcolt
Do u smoke? What brand?
Ya it helps me kill the nerves while playing, marlboro.

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Originally Posted by erdnase17
You mentioned that reshoving ranges are an important part of superturbos strategy. With that in mind I had the following idea (actually taken from a Mersenneary video):
- Assume a calling range for villain
- For each possible hand and stack size, calculate the minimum button opening frequency so that shoving from the BB over his minraise is better than folding.
- Also calculate the minimum button opening frequency so that shoving is better than calling (assuming the expectation from calling is just 1 bb, since playing OOP is difficult).

Repeat the process for a different calling range (estimate ranges that fit the population: nit, standard, spewtard, etc.). This is a very tedious process, but can easily be done with computers.

How useful do you think this could be in practice and thoughts on improvements/flaws? One possible flaw is assuming the expectation from calling is 1bb but it is very difficult to estimate this expectation.

How would you go about making similar calculations for open shoving vs min raising from the SB?
If you figure all that **** out and every detail or possible situation you're gonna make money. Not sure if that answers your question fully... bit tired.

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Originally Posted by damanrico
- Have you ever been cheated?
- Are you afraid of being cheated, did you have suspicions of being cheated at one point?
- Is it easy to move big amounts of poker money around without interference by the Dutch authorities?
I've never been cheated as far as I know and never had any fear for it. I pay my taxes to the dutch government so I'm free to move my poker money around.
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08-15-2011 , 09:56 PM
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Originally Posted by damanrico
- Do you listen to music while playing? Which genre?
- Do you think the right kind of music can make you play better (I'm not talking about putting you in a better mood which usually results into playing better, but I'm talking about music that 'opens' your brain so it can be more productive, kind of like the chewing on gum trick).
I find music distracts me while playing. I do usually listen to some very relaxing classical stuff, like arvo part while playing. I've heard that if youre gonna play music while working/playing you wanna have a somewhat consistent list of music. Jazz works great to.

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Originally Posted by Maruchan
You see a cash player with a decent reputation sitting at 5.5ks and play him. How many games does it take you to decide whether the person you're playing against is good or totally ******ed?
You can usually tell within 1 or 2 games. A very important skill in husngs is to be able to identify what type of player your opponent is in only a few hands, because a game doesn't last long.

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Originally Posted by KarlizL
have you ever bragged about how much $ u have? like got drunk one time and tried to impress a girl/boy by saying ''shiit shawtey, I have $1 000 000 in the bank, let me clap them cheeks''
?
Embarrassingly enough I think I've actually done this 1-2 years ago, I would never ever even think about it now.

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Originally Posted by Barbra Streisand
where do you currently live?
do you appreciate life?
what grade would you give your own life as of now, scale 1-10?
do you see yourself playing poker in ~5 years?

sorry if any of these questions have been asked already, haven't caught up to this thread yet. thanks for doing this.


I do appreciate life but poker has always been a total emotional roller caoster for me, and since I've been very open in this well I don't mind sharing that poker has made me extremely depressed for weeks or months and I will be happy if I can let it go. I'm relatively happy as for now.

And yes, I expect to always be playing some poker, just much lower volumes from now on.

Last edited by ChicagoRy; 09-27-2011 at 06:58 PM. Reason: op request
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08-15-2011 , 10:12 PM
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Originally Posted by mrbambocha
  • How much harder was it to get to where you are, compared to how much effort you thought you had to put in to be one of the best?
  • How many hours do you think you have put into poker, lifetime?
  • How did you balance - grinding, HH, forum, videos, any other method?
  • How important is it to work on your mental game?
  • How big is it to get coached?
  • What do you think about staking? When should you try to get staked?
  • What are the 3 main factors/abilities that separates a winner from a breakeven player?

Hoera voor een geweldige thread bro
- I've had different thoughts how hard it was gonna be to get to this level. At first I considered it impossible for me, then I suddenly overestimated my abilities for a while, and now finally I am where I would like to be and although its the hardest thing I've ever done, I'm still somewhat surprised my approach actually got me this far. Poker is just not a very developed game yet, so you can get to the top in only a few years, which is unthinkable in most other thinking games.

I do remember playing livb at first and I realised he was beating me and that I had to improve, but as hard as I thought about it I had no idea how to improve, this might sound familiar to some of you.

- I'd estimate 7500-9000hrs.

- I've never watched many videos or read 2p2, 99% of my time was devoted to playing. During and especially after sessions I would somehow automatically come up with new strategy insights.

- What do mean by mental game?

- If you have a good coach its huge, but there are few good coaches out there, some won't even be willing to coach and the ones that do will charge very high rates.

- I'm actually staked myself, the reason for this is that I got to a point where swings just got insane and I didn't want even the slightest risk of losing what I had worked all those years on, so I chose to cash my entire roll, to have something to show for all the work, and continued on a stake. A reason you could consider getting staked is if you're beating a level but uncomfortable with the swings. Or, obviously if you're busto. In general I would avoid it unless you can get staked by a good player who includes coaching you in the deal.

- 1. Not doing stupid ****
2. Understanding people's tendencies, almost everyone plays there hands face up and this will allow you to make folds that you would get flamed for on 2p2.
3. Understanding that the game is about ranges rather then individual hands.

I'm not sure if these are the three most important, just three that came up first. I just played an insanely long session my apologies if these posts suck.



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Originally Posted by Kierk1
prob more a Q for R-Q but from what you know, thoughts on negreanu's husng game?
I can answer this one, pretty sure negreanu is terrible at any online poker game.
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08-15-2011 , 10:28 PM
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Originally Posted by JorG
Saw one of your vids on HUSNG, cool accent.

1). Who is your favorite comic book super-hero?

2). Playing a (not very good) player who's stats are: Call Open: 42%, BTN raise 74%, 3bet 13% (over 200+ hands)
What would your 3bet vs his open be like, at X (a few different) many BBs, and why? And at what point would you be too shallow to 3bet/fold vs him and not 3bet so wide?
i think u missed this
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08-15-2011 , 10:36 PM
How you play this hand (turbo) vs a decent tight-aggressive player?

No Limit Holdem Tournament - 2 Players

Stacks:
Hero (SB) (1,460)
BB (1,540)

Blinds: 20/40

Pre-Flop: (60, 2 players) Hero is SB 10 J
Hero raises to 80, BB raises to 190, Hero calls 110

Flop: 2 7 9 (380, 2 players)
BB bets 120, Hero calls 120

Turn: 7 (620, 2 players)
BB bets 160, Hero calls 160

River: K (940, 2 players)
BB bets 240, Hero folds

Final Pot: 1,180
BB wins 1,180 (net +470)

Last edited by Redemption Vieja; 08-15-2011 at 10:41 PM.
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08-15-2011 , 11:37 PM
marlboro !

ty for doing well
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08-16-2011 , 12:46 AM
How many threesomes have you had in your life?

Who is better looking, me or livb112?

ps: I like B&H myself, not a big fan of marlboro..unless you're talking about the marlboro man..in that case, yes, I like!
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08-16-2011 , 03:30 AM
What do you think is the decent roi on STs 60$/100$ that allows to play profitably 200$/300$ STs?
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08-16-2011 , 04:19 AM
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Originally Posted by crimsonchin
Embarrassingly enough I think I've actually done this 1-2 years ago, I would never ever even think about it now.
Did it work?
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