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09-21-2011 , 12:18 PM
Mers, I've read somewhere on 2p2 that HEM red line "multiplies" the sample size about 3 times (meaning that x% EV over 10k sample = x% actual ROI over 30k), is that more or less true? Thanks
09-21-2011 , 07:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Nyul86
Mers, I've read somewhere on 2p2 that HEM red line "multiplies" the sample size about 3 times (meaning that x% EV over 10k sample = x% actual ROI over 30k), is that more or less true? Thanks
Sounds like too high and too blanket of a multiplier.

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Originally Posted by maxv2
I wish there was some sort of legal action the government could take to force owners to liquidate their OWN assets to pay players back.
Your wish has come true! Be careful, you only have two more. The government absolutely can try to recover the distributions paid to FTP owners, including fraudulently obtained assets.

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Originally Posted by grasiu
In your opinion - how many times bigger bankroll does one need to play hyper turbos instead of turbos?

The most proper way to go would be simply to calculate Kelly, but we don't do that (for obv reasons we use 1/2 Kelly or sth else). I am talking about "psychological bankroll". In other words I want to know what value is p in the following sentence: If swings are bearable for smn with x BIs bankroll at turbos, than he will prolly need p*x BIs on hts.

BTW I am talking about upper midstakes ($100-$300) and I am assuming aggressive moving up/down approach, one you often suggest. Intuitively I think with such approach p gets smaller, but it is still quite bigger than 1, right?
Psychological bankroll is just going to depend too much on your personal makeup. The difference between turbos and STs in bankroll calculations is your ROI, and then really it's personal from there.
09-21-2011 , 11:32 PM
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Originally Posted by mersenneary
Psychological bankroll is just going to depend too much on your personal makeup. The difference between turbos and STs in bankroll calculations is your ROI, and then really it's personal from there.
I know that psychological br is gonna be a personal thing. That is why I asked for p, not for x.

I know it is ROI dependant, but the function is not linear (is it?).

So any guess/estimation? Lets say, for examples sake, that I expect my ROI to drop from 5% to 2.5%. Do I need 2 times bigger bankroll to feel the same amount of swingpain? (Must... not... make a sex joke about swing pain )
09-22-2011 , 02:45 AM
You're the government. You recover 35% of the total funds owed to FTP players.

Who do you pay and how much?
09-23-2011 , 06:58 AM
Hey Mers, Thank you for your answer. I have an other question. Me and my friend have a lot of videos from you. I made a screenshot from your BB endgame strategy video, about the table "Villain Opening Ranges that make Ax 3bet-shoves Break-Even", and my friend has that screenshot too, but you show 2 different screenshots in your video, I mean the title is the same, but the numbers are different. I dont want share the whole table, but I'll show a small part of them.

Why are differences between the to tables, which are the same?

Last edited by edgewalker; 09-23-2011 at 07:16 AM.
09-23-2011 , 07:05 AM
links dont work but thats probably for the better,since you shouldn´t openly share husng.com material.
09-23-2011 , 07:17 AM
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Originally Posted by AnJo280
links dont work but thats probably for the better,since you shouldn´t openly share husng.com material.
Sorry, i didnt know. I'll delete them.
09-23-2011 , 07:39 AM
So I cant tell you the exactly time, when you showed that, but I tell you 2 differences (but all the numbers are different!)

At the first table the A3o 30bb deep is 62/93, in the other its 54/80. What is the differences between the two charts?
09-24-2011 , 03:17 PM
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Originally Posted by grasiu
I know that psychological br is gonna be a personal thing. That is why I asked for p, not for x.

I know it is ROI dependant, but the function is not linear (is it?).

So any guess/estimation? Lets say, for examples sake, that I expect my ROI to drop from 5% to 2.5%. Do I need 2 times bigger bankroll to feel the same amount of swingpain? (Must... not... make a sex joke about swing pain )
I don't know anything about your swingpain.

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Originally Posted by Maruchan
You're the government. You recover 35% of the total funds owed to FTP players.

Who do you pay and how much?
Everybody who files a claim to their account 35%. Additional pro-rated payment after a period of time (a year or so) with whatever money is left from unclaimed funds.

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Originally Posted by edgewalker
Hey Mers, Thank you for your answer. I have an other question. Me and my friend have a lot of videos from you. I made a screenshot from your BB endgame strategy video, about the table "Villain Opening Ranges that make Ax 3bet-shoves Break-Even", and my friend has that screenshot too, but you show 2 different screenshots in your video, I mean the title is the same, but the numbers are different. I dont want share the whole table, but I'll show a small part of them.

Why are differences between the to tables, which are the same?
Not sure, sounds like an error.
09-24-2011 , 07:17 PM
Kinda silly question, but people started asking about videos from husng and stuff, so here it goes:

I'm playing $15 at stars, mostly turbos although I did play hypers for a while, but I don't feel very confident playing hypers. I have a standard membership on HUSNG, the important question is: what do you think is more worth the money for someone playing the stakes I play (and supposedly a winning player): paying premium membership on husng or paying for a read only access on FastTrack?

I thought reading on husng.com that the standard membership would be more than sufficient for my current level and stakes, but seems like specially for hypers there's a lack of videos (I watched pretty much everything from Cog, some from Rypac but some of them are old, newer ones are okay but nothing new to me really) even for lower stakes.
09-24-2011 , 07:21 PM
That's going to depend a lot on the kind of learner you are, whether you like to absorb information by watching/by reading, etc. It also depends on what Hokie sets as the read only price for the next month. I think both are definitely decent options although the premium membership for a month is a bit cheaper and spending 10BI on coaching for the FastTrack is really only a good idea if you're planning on making poker a long term pursuit.
09-24-2011 , 07:24 PM
Sorry if this has already been asked, but how would you recommend learning hypers? There's nowhere near the material out there that there is for reg/turbo HUSNG.
09-24-2011 , 07:32 PM
The main point I'm thinking of getting the premium membership is because I can actually download pretty much everything and I don't need to watch it all during the month I'm paying for it. Other than that important things are: I do play/study poker pretty much every day for an average of 3 hours a day, but I'm not willing to commit more than that for now (and probably for a long time anyway).

I don't know what you mean for a "long term pursuit", I don't really think I'm going to quit it anytime soon, just not going to play 7 hours a day either.

Does that change anything really?

Thanks btw
09-24-2011 , 08:24 PM
By long term pursuit I just mean that it's going to be some part of your life for quite some time, otherwise it's not worth the investment (other than the added fun value of being better at it).
09-26-2011 , 10:02 AM
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Originally Posted by mersenneary
The decision of whether to bet/fold or check/call based on whether my opponent has mostly weak value hands or mostly missed draws was one of my first "aha" moments back at the 50s, and got me thinking about the game the right way, not just "how strong is my hand".
Can you give more examples of those "aha" moments?
09-30-2011 , 08:49 PM
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Originally Posted by butitswrong
Can you give more examples of those "aha" moments?
Answered I believe.
10-01-2011 , 04:38 AM
How important you think being good at math really is? Is there anyone who actually calculates more complex stuff like villains range/equity while playing? What would you say are really the important things that knowing the math will give us an edge? (pot odds and implied odds probably go here I'd guess, although that's more basic math that anyone playing poker should know)

Considering we never have exact numbers about villain's ranges, math will only give us an exact equity based on our hand reading (guess) about villain's range, so our "guessing skills" are probably more important than our math skills.

Would you tell what type of math calculations you do while on the tables? Like do you ever stove (no time for that really imo, but maybe someone used to it could use it quickly), I assume you don't do precise math calculations, but probably you do some simplified math calcs to give you a general idea of your situation.

Thanks
10-01-2011 , 08:37 AM
The question kind of depends on what you consider math. Does math have to be actual calculation, or can it just be a general sense of "he seems to be doing that too much for me to do this"? Most of the best players in the world understand frequencies without having to actually do calculations with them. I'd argue that too is math. You don't need to have a calculator and make 3bet shoving tables in order to be assessing expected value based on your observations. You need to do that well, period, and to me that's mathematical understanding even if the assessments are made from intuition. Geeks shouldn't be snobs.
10-01-2011 , 10:38 AM
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Originally Posted by mersenneary
The question kind of depends on what you consider math. Does math have to be actual calculation, or can it just be a general sense of "he seems to be doing that too much for me to do this"? Most of the best players in the world understand frequencies without having to actually do calculations with them. I'd argue that too is math. You don't need to have a calculator and make 3bet shoving tables in order to be assessing expected value based on your observations. You need to do that well, period, and to me that's mathematical understanding even if the assessments are made from intuition. Geeks shouldn't be snobs.
I was not considering "math" like that because you're not using numbers or doing any calculations. Yes, you're making assumptions based on frequencies but you're not really thinking about numbers and it's much more based on intuition than actual calculations.

However, if we include that type of thinking on the "math" part, how would you answer my previous questions?

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What would you say are really the important things that knowing the math will give us an edge?

Would you tell what type of math calculations you do while on the tables?
10-01-2011 , 06:23 PM
I basically never do any math in the middle of a HUSNG by that definition.
10-01-2011 , 07:25 PM
Sorry, I think I didn't write it right. I meant "if we include that type of thinking" = if we consider "intuition" based on frequencies and this kind of stuff as math.
10-01-2011 , 07:29 PM
Oops, sorry, misunderstood. I'm not really sure how to help here - a lot of what I say will sound really general ("understand how a range does against another range!"). I'm not doing any kind of spectacular calculations at the tables. I'm just better at doing the boring ones.
10-02-2011 , 12:23 PM
An open letter about being ranked off of the top 10 in the latest HUSNG sejjeturbo power rankings:

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You all know me. Still the same old G. But I've been low key.
Hated on by most these posters with no reads, no deals and no G's, no wheels and no keys.
No boats! No snowmobiles! And no skis!
Mad at me cause can finally afford to provide my pantry with Cap'n Crunchberries.
Got a crib with a studio and it's all full of snacks.
Reducing marketshare of Goldman Sachs.
Hanging in Wicker Park with faux hippies.
But you all think I'm gonna let my dough freeze?
Oh please, you'd better bow down on both knees.
Who do you think taught you to jam threes?
Who do you think brought you the OPs coaching STs, "Play loose when you OOP”s?
And the month of a hundred G's, and a group that said mother**** no blind increase?
Gave you a tape full of dope reads,
To bump when stroll through in your hood.
And when your EV line wasn't doing too good,
Who's the doctor they told you to go see?
You all better listen up closely:
All you posters that said that I sold out, pushing doubt,
You all are the reason I ain't been getting no sleep.
So **** you all. All of you all. If you don't like me, blow me.
You all are gonna keep ****ing around with me and turn me back to the old me.

If it was up to me, you mutha****ers would stop coming up to me,
With your hands out looking up to me like you want something free.
Before my first vid was out you weren't bumping me.
But now that I got this little company
Everybody wanna come to me like it was some disease
But you won't get a crumb from me, 'cause I'm from the streets of Portland (so pop, pop).
I told em all, all them heads up gangstas, who you think helped mold them all?
Now you wanna run around and talk about suns like I ran hotter than one.
What, you think I fold 'em all when you raise airballs?
Now all I get is hate mail all day saying I fell off.
What, 'cause I been in the lab with a pen and a pad, trying to get this damn model off?
I'm not having that, this is the millennium of after math, there ain't gonna be nothing after that,
So give me a desk from another_rack and **** stats you can have them back.
So where's all the shortstackers at, it's like it's jungle in this habitat
But all you savage cats know that I was strapped with facts
When you were cuddlin with cabbage patch

Last edited by mersenneary; 10-02-2011 at 01:41 PM.
10-02-2011 , 01:08 PM
lol that was good
10-02-2011 , 01:53 PM
hahahahahaha outstanding.

"Who do you think taught you to jam threes?" LMAO

      
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