part of his strat obv

Thats because he doesn't want to play regs so does that to every reg he simulsits with. He should of stuck with doing that and bumhunting in the shadows. Very foolish of him. All this might force him to not be **** though so it could be a positive for him.

played timmyox a bit. hes allways decline rematch and after a while I give up playing him. He's friendly in chat, got nice graph and very good game selection I imagine. The facebook bragging is low and therefore he deserves a thread like this. Hes the online version of doug lee toolbox.
-timmyox at 60s full tilt when I posted this.

please someone from twoplustwo play him. hes playing ande regged at 60s. will be railworthy gogogogo

15/30 blinds limp with 180 stack minbet flop

and your problem with that is?

+1 to what lovehatepoker posted.

bs line. never see that happening with >5bb stacksizes.

timmyox vs dopeymcdope full tilt

Dealer: DopeyMcDope wins the pot (60)
Dealer: Hand #33556007721
DopeyMcDope: i got mtts
DopeyMcDope: no thanks
TimmyOx: alright
Dealer: TimmyOx wins the pot (60)
TimmyOx: gl
Dealer: Hand #33556008310
DopeyMcDope: why say gl when you dont mean it
TimmyOx: which ones you runnin?

umm, you jam aces?

I'm TimmyOx, or one who's been allowed his power of attorney....nah, it's me.

At DopeyMcDope's insistence, I am going to attempt (I say 'attempt' because I feel like the court of public opinion has already spoken, and usually doesn't change its mind) to clear the air.

I will preface my defense by saying that these forums can be very good, and they can also resemble the lunch table of girls at a middle school cafeteria. A bunch of people with half-truths making hasty assumptions and gaining allies through mob mentality tactics.

And before I get into the discrepancy at hand (reimbursement of funds), I want to address my table image/chat issues. There's no justification for that. The stress of playing 300-400 games a day gets to me. I'm human, and I have anger issues when it comes to poker. Outside of poker, I am a completely different person, believe it or not. I'm working on it. So please disregard that from what's really the topic. Let's be objective and not muddy the water here.

Okay, so this disconnection policy with regs.

1.) Not all regs do this, for one to assume that all should is awfully bold
2.) Get solid internet. That's your issue, not mine. I've lost over 6k in disconnects this year.
3.) I have played over 100,000 sngs and not once have I ever asked/petitioned/demanded reimbursement from any given player, nor do I expect them to
4.) I am not your peoples' friend. I have no alliance to you, nor should you to me. We are all here to make money.
5.) Is the money you take from fish from disc's less important to them, or are they less entitled to that money than a reg? It's so god damn smug of the poker community that believes it's okay to do this with fish, but not for regs. Not to mention, it's hypocrisy in its purest form, and it's difficult to hold a moral high ground when the diatribe preached about what is fair and what is not fair is completely ignored in the next heartbeat.
6.) If I understand the inherent risks of ONLINE poker, and do not ask for refunds from players, isn't that much more mature a notion than "I am entitled to this money because I'm a reg, and I've earned it (my stripes and the $60 now in your cashier)." From what I gather, the major reason for regs refunding other players is to calm the waters and prevent potential fallout from the aforementioned mob; it's fear of consequence, an image thing, or assumption of a future quid pro quo. One thing I can tell for sure is that it's not an issue of morality. If that were the case, I would expect all of you to reimburse ever fish you play for disconnects. Sorry for holding the mirror up to you.
7.) So I have a different policy or belief about disc's than the majority of you. So that means release the hounds?

As for the picture posted on facebook. It had nothing to do about robbing anyone. I did not see that he was disconnected and sit his lobbies to get free money. The $200 one he had 40 chips left, for the record; and one of the 115s I was overwhelming chip favorite. So really, we're talking about one 115 and one 60. That's what we're quabbling about. The picture was posted on my best friend's wall because we had lived in the Bahamas, where the internet was notoriously bad. Together, we've lost over $10,000 in disc's in the time we lived there. Our disdain for disc's and poor internet was unparalleled. So when I posted the picture, it was to the effect of "hey buddy, finally regaining some FREEV (free EV) that we've lost in the last year or so. Essentially, that our green line and red line for disconnections could possibly even meet (not going to happen....ever. I assure you. I've lost too much in these already). It had nothing to do with atomfred or the fact that the money was "stolen" or whatever you'd like to call it.

The way that a lot of you decide to gang up on people after being presented with half of a story is quite reprehensible and devoid of tact.

I'll leave it at that. If you want to know anything else, contact me. Thanks for the few who defended me or my belief. It's much appreciated. As for those who spoke ill of me, it's just as scummy as anything I've ever written in a chatbox on ftp or stars.

Regards,
Tim

No, but you also don't limpfold them.

Eh, I agree with most of your points, but I'm pretty sure some regs used to hunt Plauzee down when that happened.

4-5 bb ofc people never give me credit anyways.

yeh two people mainly sat plauzee which was phmerc and sa1251, both of which were already sitting other regs before that even happened so kinda doesnt mean much.

also i can understand where timmy is coming from in that i bet if almost any reg lost huge amounts due to disconnects you would be very unlikely to send equity or do anything other than blind your opponent down when you get a chance too regardless of the person being a reg or not.

I still personally would wait or send equity back but you cant blame a reg when they dont, all you can do is post in the regs thread so others understand not to send to them.

or if you are playing a reg you normally play a lot get an agreement in place on what each other would do etc.

Bunch of delusional nerds in this topic. He didn't steal anything. Not his responsibility to take care of your internet connection. If you have no controll over it (pokerstars malfunction) the client refunds you themselves.

I think it was Haxton that was found saying "Internet poker requires you to be good at both poker and the Internet".

Wasn't aware that it is allowed to have a separate thread to bash someone for doing something not against the terms of service. Personal attack threads generally get locked pretty quick. Just sayin...

best post so far came by timmy, i didn't expect that.

yeah the title is unfortunate but hey dont turn it around now, i thought everyone understands it was more about his attitude AND the fact that guy is surprisingly weak for the stakes he plays. he can only blame himself, he drew attention to his person with that behaviour and that hopefully will cost him.

disable chat poor timmy if u have issues, like mela said - there are lots of regs like you - and i can only hope they'll start acting like you because it will make your extinction faster and will leave the game for people who actually put some work and have a clue

+1

People probably collect it from site support and said reg.

A few thoughts:

- He's obviously not stealing. He's keeping disconnected money then allegedly bragging about it on facebook (would like to see the bragging part posted to clear up some of that).

- People are upset because he bragged about it + because he's a dick in chat.

- I have a question for Timmy - If you don't send back to people, why do you reportedly accept/ask to be sent back to? Or if you don't, why don't you send back if someone sends to you in the event you DC? Do you think your policy is consistent?

- To lovehate, people are ganging up in this case because they can. Nobody sat B12 out of hate, including the people he owed money to, bc they felt he was good and/or could win it back for them. Why is that not OK? People can't gang up on someone they feel is screwing someone else over or being a jerk bc they wouldn't do it to someone who is top 20-30 in the world at the game? I don't think that's logical.

- Plauzee did get sat some, but I don't think he was open sitting much around that time anyways, so probably not a ton of chances (I could be wrong here).

- Timmy, many do reimburse fish for DCs.

- A lot of posts on both sides of the issue in this thread are unnecessarily dickish (including Timmy's I thought, "hold the mirror up to you" among other phrases, just kinda like you felt you made some awesome points and trying to stick it to people... not that they didn't do the same to you).

Personally, I'd say if you don't send back, you shouldn't accept people that send back to you. But that's just me (fwiw that's my preferred policy, makes it very easy if nobody ever sends to anyone else nor accepts, and gives you full incentive to get your connection under control). And just like when people reg war, you have to assume that talking **** and acting like a jerk are going to get you sat more, with or without an edge, so nothing in this thread against Timmy is really all that surprising.

But really, the only issue with Timmy here is he allegedly bragged about it (jerk thing to do that obviously inspires ppl to gang up on him) and he might have a disconnect policy that is also just asking for people to also gang up on him (receiving send backs but laughing at people on fb when he blinds down a dced guy). None of that is too bad or stealing, but at the same time I don't get the outrage towards those that are ganging up on him.

nah seriously going into someones lobbies to sit them, (esp when on ft where the likelihood you can come back is high) is super scummy. if you just blind down in your current games, people could live with that. still willing to sit decline if someone posts when hes starting a stars session

1.) I have never accepted buy-ins back; not sure where you got that from. One player last week (who posted on this thread) offered to even the stacks when I got blinded down to like 200 or 300. I've only seen that twice in my career. And, not once has any player voluntarily, or otherwise, sent me a buy-in back.

2.) Not sure exactly where the fish allegations come from. I'm not coming on here to brag, but if you were being slung through the mud as a fish, you would likely defend yourself with the facts as well. The facts are that in the last 4 months, I've played 11,199 games. In those games, at 30s and 60s, I have made 4% EV (4.4% green line). If you want to see the PT4 screenshot, I will post it, but don't think that it's good to post, unprovoked, as it may be construed as bragging or some classless act (not being sarcastic, I just understand that people misinterpret things online). The players who say I'm a fish really don't have substantiated claims. Aside from the night I was jumped the stakes with sman, I have more than held my own vs regs.

Here are some stats from a couple of players who felt the need to belittle my play. In 60s in the last 4 months, coffeeyay is -8 EV through 80 games, sman is -58 EV through 105 games, and the poster of this (atomfred/armyofthepharoh), at all stakes, is -1130 EV, but green line at $2560 (not sure how there's such a disparity in only 311 games, but congrats on the good poker vibes ).

The fact remains, ego aside, that regwars are generally a waste of time. Suffice it to say, neither person has a substantial edge. I know that you players are good. Trust me, no one is questioning that. However, just because you THINK I'm a bad person doesn't MEAN I'm a bad player. I believe that is attributed to the theory of wish fulfillment. I understand the idea of poker players asserting their dominance over another player. Honestly, I get it. It's a competition. But please, be realistic about the likelihood of it being a complete money/time pit.

Please understand that this post is not in any way a brag. I am simply defending myself to those who've spoken falsely about my play.

As for the 'mirror' comment. Understandably, it was out of frustration; much like atomfred's extremely aggressive and misleading thread name (echoing Sandmanness's sentiments, I'm also surprised this thread is allowed as well, but can also see the value in this discussion; a relabeling of thread would be appreciated). And while it might have come off as dickish, that does not make my post invalid. If looked at objectively, the post does indeed bring up valid concerns and responses.

Also, please understand that I would never brag about stealing. The fact that it's perceived as stealing bothers me. If I saw it as stealing, for sure, I would be ashamed of the post I made. It would certainly be seen as a poor choice by me. If I time out or disc, I expect you to be off to the races, speed-clicking the minbet button (It's an issue of luck/bad luck. That's all I chalk it up to, and I think that's a pretty mature and respectable opinion from someone who's lost a mini fortune in disconnects). Someone blinding me out is what I expect. Whether you do it or not is your prerogative. But know that I do not have a problem if you do that. So please, do not have a problem if I get excited about finding a hundred dollar bill or so on the floor. That's all it was. Had absolutely 0 with any given player. It's never anything personal, and I think that has contributed to the way some people take this situation and others like it.

Thank you for the response, Ry. It's nice to have 3rd party observers and moderators assess the situation as an objective perspective.

I apologize for anything that I've done or said that was taken in a negative fashion. Please understand that I do not indeed have ill will towards any player.

In closing, here's something that will make anyone's day better....Swanologues

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MSAC_...AF5GQBUHOycVq-

Regards,
Tim

I haven't said anything in this thread

And your numbers are off

Graph from Timmy's point of view:


Your EVROI = -5.21
Your EVProfit = -255.27

Removing the $207.88 of rake we paid means

coffeeyay = +$47.39,
plus rakeback

Yay!

No hard feelings though, gl at the tables Timmy