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12-19-2015 , 06:26 AM

Lyops

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Join Date: Dec 2014 Posts: 6

How to determine which room is more profitable if we consider only these multipliers (for equal buy-in, of course):

PokerStars Spin&Go
100 out of 100 000: x25
500 out of 100 000: x10
7500 out of 100 000: x6
19865,3 out of 100 000: x4
72019,4 out of 100 000: x2

Full tilt Jackpot SnG:
320 out of 100 000: x20
640 out of 100 000: x10
3675 out of 100 000: x6
22000 out of 100 000: x4
73325 out of 100 000: x2

Rake is 6% in both rooms.

Or at least how to calculate where dispersion is lower?

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12-19-2015 , 02:07 PM

ChicagoRy

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I don't think frequency in of itself determines profitability if it's the same rake.

Playerbase would be the factor that truly separates each of these sites in terms of profit (if there is any separation).

That is assuming FTP has consistent traffic at the buyin you wish to play. If it doesn't, playing on Stars seems a lot better for a winning player.

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12-19-2015 , 05:07 PM

Lyops

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We assume that player's game level is the same.

And what about dispersion? In example at Pokerstars 250 buy-ins downstrike is normal for player with 60 chips/tournament and at FTP 200 BI is normal. How to get any info about this?

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12-19-2015 , 08:37 PM

coffeeyay

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Originally Posted by Lyops

SwongSim by Max Cut is what you should use

Really it's a secondary concern to rake and volume/player pool concerns as those dominate your EV, but if you're super interested just use swong sim.

Edit: here's link so you don't have to hunt:
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/45...-post-1468580/

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12-20-2015 , 08:42 AM

Lyops

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Thank you!
Is this correct usage of a program (60 chips/tournament both cases)?

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12-20-2015 , 02:57 PM

coffeeyay

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Originally Posted by Lyops

Thank you!
Is this correct usage of a program (60 chips/tournament both cases)?

Not really because you aren't including the top tiers... there's absolutely 0 reason to remove them--just because they are rare doesn't mean you shouldn't count their EV. It's like saying that reaching the final table of an MTT is really rare so we should just disregard all the money in the prizepool that goes to the final table. It's just flawed thinking. Every game we plays earns us EV, whether we realize it in this game or in some other place in life doesn't matter--all that matters is that we earned the EV

Otherwise, i think you set everything up correctly.

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12-20-2015 , 03:03 PM

Lyops

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So how should I calculate where my ROI will be higher if I''ll play 3000 tournaments with 60chips/t? %-) Or where the dispersion is lower?

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12-21-2015 , 01:28 PM

coffeeyay

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Originally Posted by Lyops

So how should I calculate where my ROI will be higher if I''ll play 3000 tournaments with 60chips/t? %-) Or where the dispersion is lower?

Well ROI (as a decimal) = (((chips/t)+500)/1500)*(1-rake)*3 - 1

This function only depends on chips/t and rake, so once you fix 60 chips/t and your rake you're always going to get the same ROI.

As for variance, you can measure the difference in effect due to pay structure in swongsim by just setting up two sims--one with each structure--and then running it and comparing stuff like downswings and distribution of results between the two structures.

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12-23-2015 , 08:12 AM

e1cnr

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Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 2,045

What is dispersion?
What is missing from your charts?

PokerStars shows what happens for 99984,7 / 100000
FullTilt shows what happens for 99960 / 100000

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