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07-13-2013 , 05:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Pasghettos
Stars could code the system such that it is random, that's how such a match making system would be random.
this is true if they'd code the consent-to-avoid feature so that it works randomly. that is, by taking the deterministic "consent" part out of it.

[arbitrarily-sized-random-part][arbitrarily-sized-deterministic-part] != random

more interesting would be an answer to the question if random match making is even possible in this format. or, if this is not possible, how to guarantee that every player has an equal chance to play any other player. if in addition you can put the "consent" part in without breaking things, congrats, you solved the puzzle.
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07-13-2013 , 07:15 AM
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Originally Posted by lovehatepoker
Thats the whole point though, except fish will still see 2 lobbies instead of millions like in ftp, if fish sit the que they will get sat anyway and if your at the back of the que you can sit weaker regs for quicker action.

also lobby control will be much easier because now weaker regs can now be sat in the que at anytime so if you go out of your way to sit someone they know they cant sneak in the que and will probably not register if a reg is online that sits them that they dont want to battle. also the que and registration will be all handled by stars instead of a 3rd party
Don't like this. IMO recs money would vanish faster, and doesn't really encourage to sit "unknown regs" (with who you didn't play before).

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Originally Posted by _dave_
+1, I am starting to think a random matchmaking with a properly working (both players have to have it set) consent-to-avoid feature might be quite a bit better than the current system
This, with capped CtA feature (not a low number, but it can't be unlimited, so you need to have 15-20 regs who you'll be playing against), and with awesome marketing, and couple of promos
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07-13-2013 , 09:02 AM
There were always tryhard macho visitors to the hospital but this group was quite peculiar. A bunch of skinny nerdy guys with an inexplicable fascination with Asian girls strutted in claiming to be in some kind of a "HU Nerd Mafia". They were visiting someone who had recently been involved in a car crash. I believe his name was Chadders.

The guys were holding hands and **** and they kinda looked like an ugly version of One Direction and seemed like they were going to have some gay orgy so I followed cuz im kinda into that stuff. Unfortunately they kept their pants on and started talking about "how bad they run blah bblah" and the plans of their HU Nerd Mafia.

"I know who did this to me" said Chadders "It was one of those goddamn $300 grinders. Those little ****s must have rigged my brakes."

The rest nodded sleepily. They wished sometimes their boss would just stop yapping.

"They didn't want me to meet with Jokerstars. They knew I was gonna screw them over and take away their source of income"

"Doez hopeless bumhunters" chanted the Nerd One Direction.

"Umm..." I quiped. "Whats a bumhunter?"

"Well a bumhunter is somebody who never plays a reg and--"

"NO" screamed Chadders, grabbing the HU Nerds face and brought it towards his own bloodstained one. "A bumhunter is anybody that isn't part of or doesn't bow down to the HU Mafia! You have been spending too much time outside of the family."

The Nerd apologized profusely and Chadders went on with his tirade.

"We will destroy all bumhunters by telling the clueless Jokerstars to put a Battlenet system but one where we can mark each other to not play. O fcourse, nobody in the community wants this, but since I am representing the whole of the HU community at the Jokerstars meeting I can say whatever the **** I like. Then every1 in the mafia can just mark each other, not let anybody else join regardless of the skill. Everybody is ****ed. HUR HUR HUR. HAR HAR. AJAJAJAJAJAJAJ LOZLLLL"

"HUR HUR HUR MONEEYYYYYYYYYZZZzz"

"MONEYYYYY"

"WE DO IT FOR MONEEYYYYYYY"

"Oh and imagine how bad battlenet would be for all those midstakes grinders. HAHAHHA! Nobody will be able to beat the rake! Just imagine them squirm and die off like those snails I like to put salt on and then stomp on and then lick off my shoe."

The One direction nerds stared at him blankly. Their mind was in a completely different fantasy world.

"MONNEEYYY"

"WE GET MORE MONEYYYY"

The money was there for the taking. Only one part of plan HU-World Domination was left. Convincing the 2+2 poker community to accept a system which would ultimately result in the destruction of the game.
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07-13-2013 , 01:52 PM
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Originally Posted by kingkong32

I prefer the current lobby maybe whith some new features:
- add more tables
- get next free lobby after sitting 2nd!!!
- reduced rake for rematching after x games in a row
bump, this would be much better than battlenet style
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07-13-2013 , 02:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Poisonlolz
There were always tryhard macho visitors to the hospital but this group was quite peculiar. A bunch of skinny nerdy guys with an inexplicable fascination with Asian girls strutted in claiming to be in some kind of a "HU Nerd Mafia". They were visiting someone who had recently been involved in a car crash. I believe his name was Chadders.

loled sooo hard
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07-13-2013 , 03:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Poisonlolz
There were always tryhard macho visitors to the hospital but this group was quite peculiar. A bunch of skinny nerdy guys with an inexplicable fascination with Asian girls strutted in claiming to be in some kind of a "HU Nerd Mafia". They were visiting someone who had recently been involved in a car crash. I believe his name was Chadders.

The guys were holding hands and **** and they kinda looked like an ugly version of One Direction and seemed like they were going to have some gay orgy so I followed cuz im kinda into that stuff. Unfortunately they kept their pants on and started talking about "how bad they run blah bblah" and the plans of their HU Nerd Mafia.

"I know who did this to me" said Chadders "It was one of those goddamn $300 grinders. Those little ****s must have rigged my brakes."

The rest nodded sleepily. They wished sometimes their boss would just stop yapping.

"They didn't want me to meet with Jokerstars. They knew I was gonna screw them over and take away their source of income"

"Doez hopeless bumhunters" chanted the Nerd One Direction.

"Umm..." I quiped. "Whats a bumhunter?"

"Well a bumhunter is somebody who never plays a reg and--"

"NO" screamed Chadders, grabbing the HU Nerds face and brought it towards his own bloodstained one. "A bumhunter is anybody that isn't part of or doesn't bow down to the HU Mafia! You have been spending too much time outside of the family."

The Nerd apologized profusely and Chadders went on with his tirade.

"We will destroy all bumhunters by telling the clueless Jokerstars to put a Battlenet system but one where we can mark each other to not play. O fcourse, nobody in the community wants this, but since I am representing the whole of the HU community at the Jokerstars meeting I can say whatever the **** I like. Then every1 in the mafia can just mark each other, not let anybody else join regardless of the skill. Everybody is ****ed. HUR HUR HUR. HAR HAR. AJAJAJAJAJAJAJ LOZLLLL"

"HUR HUR HUR MONEEYYYYYYYYYZZZzz"

"MONEYYYYY"

"WE DO IT FOR MONEEYYYYYYY"

"Oh and imagine how bad battlenet would be for all those midstakes grinders. HAHAHHA! Nobody will be able to beat the rake! Just imagine them squirm and die off like those snails I like to put salt on and then stomp on and then lick off my shoe."

The One direction nerds stared at him blankly. Their mind was in a completely different fantasy world.

"MONNEEYYY"

"WE GET MORE MONEYYYY"

The money was there for the taking. Only one part of plan HU-World Domination was left. Convincing the 2+2 poker community to accept a system which would ultimately result in the destruction of the game.
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07-13-2013 , 03:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Poisonlolz
There were always tryhard macho visitors to the hospital but this group was quite peculiar. A bunch of skinny nerdy guys with an inexplicable fascination with Asian girls strutted in claiming to be in some kind of a "HU Nerd Mafia". They were visiting someone who had recently been involved in a car crash. I believe his name was Chadders.

The guys were holding hands and **** and they kinda looked like an ugly version of One Direction and seemed like they were going to have some gay orgy so I followed cuz im kinda into that stuff. Unfortunately they kept their pants on and started talking about "how bad they run blah bblah" and the plans of their HU Nerd Mafia.

"I know who did this to me" said Chadders "It was one of those goddamn $300 grinders. Those little ****s must have rigged my brakes."

The rest nodded sleepily. They wished sometimes their boss would just stop yapping.

"They didn't want me to meet with Jokerstars. They knew I was gonna screw them over and take away their source of income"

"Doez hopeless bumhunters" chanted the Nerd One Direction.

"Umm..." I quiped. "Whats a bumhunter?"

"Well a bumhunter is somebody who never plays a reg and--"

"NO" screamed Chadders, grabbing the HU Nerds face and brought it towards his own bloodstained one. "A bumhunter is anybody that isn't part of or doesn't bow down to the HU Mafia! You have been spending too much time outside of the family."

The Nerd apologized profusely and Chadders went on with his tirade.

"We will destroy all bumhunters by telling the clueless Jokerstars to put a Battlenet system but one where we can mark each other to not play. O fcourse, nobody in the community wants this, but since I am representing the whole of the HU community at the Jokerstars meeting I can say whatever the **** I like. Then every1 in the mafia can just mark each other, not let anybody else join regardless of the skill. Everybody is ****ed. HUR HUR HUR. HAR HAR. AJAJAJAJAJAJAJ LOZLLLL"

"HUR HUR HUR MONEEYYYYYYYYYZZZzz"

"MONEYYYYY"

"WE DO IT FOR MONEEYYYYYYY"

"Oh and imagine how bad battlenet would be for all those midstakes grinders. HAHAHHA! Nobody will be able to beat the rake! Just imagine them squirm and die off like those snails I like to put salt on and then stomp on and then lick off my shoe."

The One direction nerds stared at him blankly. Their mind was in a completely different fantasy world.

"MONNEEYYY"

"WE GET MORE MONEYYYY"

The money was there for the taking. Only one part of plan HU-World Domination was left. Convincing the 2+2 poker community to accept a system which would ultimately result in the destruction of the game.
Finally the truth comes out from a source close to the inside. Thankyou for be brave enough to speak up. I thought it was lack of a seatbelt not a $300 sng player which was the cause? Arrogance cannot take on mother nature, with or without a HU mafia.

Typical Mafia mentality is to take a company over and profit from it without having ANY shares in it whatsoever.

Honor is... what no man can give ya. And none can take away. Honor is a man's gift to himself.

Women have the heart of honor. And we cherish and protect it in them. You must never mistreat a woman, or a lame man. Or stand by a see another do so.

(Aye, fight and you may die, run, and you'll live... at least a while. And dying in your beds, many years from now, would you be willin' to trade ALL the days, from this day to that, for one chance, just one chance, to come back here and tell our enemies that they may take our lives, but they'll never take... OUR FREEDOM!)
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07-13-2013 , 04:25 PM
o.O
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07-13-2013 , 04:32 PM
The only way to to make "avoiding players" work in the battlenet system would be unlimited amount of people that you can mark as avoid. Of course, you would still be matched with them if they didnt mark to avoid you.

However, I still think any changes and blind registration and matchmaking are just wrong for the game. There have been many good arguments for the current lobby with some changes. Sharky is definitely very controversial and something needs to be done.
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07-13-2013 , 06:16 PM
So in effect you are now forced to play people you dont want to if they dont mark you back? So now you have no choice in the matter how you spend your money, you're either forced to play with people you dont want or you play elsewhere or not at all?

Battlenet system has too many flaws for it to be a success, it simply can never work if its replacing the old system. Either fix the problem we are having atm and make it fair to all with a built in queue system or offer both the standard lobby and a battlenet lobby and people can choose what they want to play.

Battlenet = such a bad idea on so many levels.
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07-13-2013 , 06:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Pirus82
So in effect you are now forced to play people you dont want to if they dont mark you back? So now you have no choice in the matter how you spend your money, you're either forced to play with people you dont want or you play elsewhere or not at all?
You might like NL HU...
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07-13-2013 , 11:49 PM
what do you guys think about that

500+ games between 2-3 months vs same opponent = 2x multiplikator
250+ games between 2-3 months vs same opponent = 1,5x multiplikator

why?

No mafia groups can be created

also im pretty sure that this avoiding system wont change much, because there are like 90% bumhunters and when they all avoid each other, only real winning player will loose bc of that system

why i say that?

bc i a lot of guys said that already which dont deserve even to opensit 60s

who i am?

im a guy who plays 30-100s (also bumhunting now, because its so useless when everyone is never sitting 2nd), which would rlly love to play as many regs as possible, but it is rlly -ev comparing to bumhunting, in any way. also a guy who dont give a **** of skype groups etc because everyone is boomhunting like 5x limits higher than they deserve and i dont want to share my knowledge with guys from my limits, because i get like 1% back and improve my direct opponents

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07-14-2013 , 12:37 AM
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Originally Posted by mme
how would such a match making be random when the most important property of randomnes is the lack of predictability in events [wikipeadia.org]?
A random number between one and five is still random, despite that number 6 cannot be chosen
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07-14-2013 , 02:49 AM
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Originally Posted by _dave_
A random number between one and five is still random, despite that number 6 cannot be chosen
interesting question. you have a die where all numbers can come up but 1. is the fall of the die still random? i would argue that the question is invalid because it is not a die in the first place, but maybe there is a better answer.
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07-14-2013 , 06:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Pirus82
So in effect you are now forced to play people you dont want to if they dont mark you back? So now you have no choice in the matter how you spend your money, you're either forced to play with people you dont want or you play elsewhere or not at all?
Huh? This is exactly how the lobbies work now. It doesn't matter how you've tagged someone if you open sit lobby and they join.
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07-14-2013 , 08:31 AM
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Originally Posted by JArul3
what do you guys think about that

500+ games between 2-3 months vs same opponent = 2x multiplikator
250+ games between 2-3 months vs same opponent = 1,5x multiplikator

why?

No mafia groups can be created

also im pretty sure that this avoiding system wont change much, because there are like 90% bumhunters and when they all avoid each other, only real winning player will loose bc of that system

why i say that?

bc i a lot of guys said that already which dont deserve even to opensit 60s

who i am?

im a guy who plays 30-100s (also bumhunting now, because its so useless when everyone is never sitting 2nd), which would rlly love to play as many regs as possible, but it is rlly -ev comparing to bumhunting, in any way. also a guy who dont give a **** of skype groups etc because everyone is boomhunting like 5x limits higher than they deserve and i dont want to share my knowledge with guys from my limits, because i get like 1% back and improve my direct opponents
It would be awesome, if let's say, you do the 3x 250, or the 2x 500 match in the designated time, you won't only get higher VPP, or FPP multiplier for those sngs, but to all sngs at the appointed term. It would definitely encourage regwars.

It would be +EV to regwar even if I think I lose to the rake (like I need to pay for half of my fee) in the warz
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07-14-2013 , 08:45 AM
btw i was a bit drunk and i may sound a bit arrogant, but this situation is atm very tilting. So i may overreact.

Ment battlenet + rewarding regwars when the same opponents face theirself all the time.

Btw a deal button would be enough, so "avoid feature" dont have to be created. Just copy it from ft.

but however, im not sure if a deal/avoid feature will be the right thing.

because im rlly scared of getting fked up of all those boomhuntergroups, i mean nearly everyone at 30-100 knows each other and they will very likely not play each other when they have the avoiding system. So a guy like me who doesnt participate on those groups will be rlly fked up.

So thats why i thought, like rewarding regwars with the battlenetsystem is the right thing. So people can beat the rake vs other regs.

maybe using the deal button sith limitation only?

- smth like 3 deals per hour or 2 options to be choosed

- rewarding + 2x multipler for playin the same opponents 500+ games or

- avoid feature - without rewarding system

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07-14-2013 , 09:41 AM
deal costs rake
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07-14-2013 , 10:52 AM
Deal would be fcked up.
If you're mehh player they'll sit you, if you're good, they will put "avoid" on you no mather if you're in their group or not.
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07-14-2013 , 11:51 AM
if your good and beating them you wont put them on avoid
i think the best option would be not being able to avoid any1(or maybe only people that you know irl or something like that)

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07-14-2013 , 12:06 PM
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Originally Posted by LeProtagonist
Huh? This is exactly how the lobbies work now. It doesn't matter how you've tagged someone if you open sit lobby and they join.
No its not, lobbies you have the option of choosing who you play or sitting 1st. Battlenet is neither.
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07-14-2013 , 01:39 PM
so a deal without payin rake? dont understand anyway why stars should keep rake when people chop?
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07-14-2013 , 01:50 PM
chopping would be ******ed for several reasons in a battlenet system, just make the avoid feature if you make it battlenet. its just the best solution
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07-14-2013 , 03:39 PM
Idea that I'm not sure has been said: priority in the battlenet could be given to those who have fewer people on their "Avoid List." Therefore fish and strong regs will get games faster and more frequently than bumhunters who refuse to play anyone with a brain.
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07-14-2013 , 04:00 PM
they already wait way longer for games, if action gets to bad at their current level to only bumhunt like that they lose money by not playing a wider pool of players or moving down.

it regulates itself, there is no need for that.
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