Thanks

hi--I read through a lot of this thread, but was wondering if there was more of a spin n go strategy thread? Maybe a strategy site? Any help is appreciated

I think this graph shows somewhere about 300k chips below ev ? Still rough, of course.

In case anybody was wondering what running over 1000 buyins (about 600.000 chips) below EV looks like... [/QUOTE]

And just under 500 buy ins below, but still impressive

Yeah, teamsk, next time, include only chip stats (incl. 'All-In Equity') or only monetary stats (incl. 'Net Adjusted') into a graph. If you include both, then two scales appear on the right that don't even have zeros at the same height, and the graph looks really messy.

_dave_, you're right. The actual chip winnings aren't shown explicitly in teamsk's graph. We can tell that the monetary winnings (the green line) are $5.8K and $3K below the dollar EV (the orange line), which might be because of getting low multipliers too often.

Actually, because both the showdown (1.07M) and non-showdown (400K) chip winnings are shown, we can add them up to find out that the total chip winnings equal 1.47M, or 230K chips below the EV of 1.7M (=76 EV chips per tourney, or 38.4% ITM EV, which is superb, but not something unusual for the average BI of $0.26 / 0.0406 ~ $6.4, i.e. mostly the $7s).

You're welcome to post Spin & Go hands that you're unsure of in separate threads in this (Heads-Up SNG and Spin and Gos) forum; not more than several hands on the first forum page at once, though.

Sorry buddy, but you're "only" ~250 000 chips below EV (non-showdown chips + showdown chips)

Please stars add the deal button. I lost another 7.2k to some random monkey

The absence of the deal button actually doesn't affect the overall risk that much (alter the top payouts to smth like 40/30/30 in SwongSim and see it yourself).

Losing big flips to monkeys is part of the game and is actually what attracts them. Without them, the games would be unbeatable.

heres my spin n go journey thread in the spoiler if you all wanna come in and judge me or say hey GL or slander me im easy either way GL out there +1 for deal button although havent spun in a huge one yet, just makes sense

hey nice graph, what buy ins do you play? is it spin only or HU to?

red line is sick #savagebluffer

Hey new to spin and goes playing the 30s what's a good winrate over a big sample in terms of roi and itm%, the later bring the most important I guess in this format...? Anyone making a good hourley at the 30s?

37% ITM <-> 5% ROI is deemed really good. Anything below ~35.5% makes playing not worth it, and it's advisable to move down then, almost regardless of the BR size. If you're a beginner, I'd suggest starting out at the 15s or lower first, for at least 1K-2K games, to gain experience and see what your ITM EV is.

If it's over 37% (55 chips per tourney) at the 15s and you have a sufficient BR (5-figure), then move up to the 30s, but definitely start using Spinwiz (unless it gets banned or neutralised by a seating algorithm change by then, of course) because without it, you'll risk getting significantly more reg-infested traffic (opposition) on average (less fish) than Spinwiz users, whereas any drop in the ITM, even as small as 0.5-1%, increases the risk so dramatically that playing lower limits instead becomes worthwhile despite having a big BR and a bigger hourly.

How can I add stats such as evChips, evITM and evROI to my PT4 graph? I know how to calculate them manually but it would be much easier to have PT4 do it for me

Thanks for that, what level you play how many of these can you play per hour/what's a good hourly, still might start at 30s ha they semt pritty soft today ...

I hardly ever play at Stars, mainly iPoker €10s, and I'm so lazy that my sample hasn't converged to anything meaningful, however, I think I can beat this stuff post-rakeback My opinion about the 37% is based on the fact that a couple of familiar regs of non-HUSNG origin have it; HUSNG beasts can have more, but as far as I understand, you're not one of them

I'm aiming at $40/hour (derived primarily from rakeback) for myself, but that will require 6-tabling on a (hopefully) solid autopilot and is not recommended for those who don't have a large BR

moaned in a 200x 10 hours after this lol bricked tho :/

IF i deceide to play them il be one of the best at the 30 level and then 60 within 6 months im a life time heads up cash and 3max player with a 10bb/100 over 1.5million hands, stakes ranging from 50-1 and 1-2 these 3 handed games are much softer then the cash varient i just need to learn push fold situtions better....

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We got it now. YOu dont have to mention a 6th or 7th time that you have a large and 5figure roll

Btw do you play any poker at all? I just see you commenting on everything here and in plo forum and pretend you know pretty much everything about every topic but have never seen any results or hands played.......

Whats up with the negativity mirage666? had a bad day at the tables? why would you be bothered by him answering question in this thread or any other one. if you dont agree with his posts then just go ahead and give your opinion/answer.

Welcome to the thread... solid contribution.

Well, I'm pretty sure you can accumulate it too, and pretty fast, if you deny yourself most of the pleasures of the 'real life' like myself for last 3 years

Besides, it's not shameful to have some money put aside from the real life or have binked an MTT or high multiplier Spin. Regardless of its origin, no one obliges you to donate it all to charity and start out with a $100 deposit (I hope you have much more than $100, though). You have to figure out how to make optimal use of everything that the fortune has given to you.

I have a bit more options, but my point is that those options are still bad for me because of the chronical lack of skill. I play primarily at such low stakes that I could have started with €2K and been able to play all the same games (at fewer tables, but with a higher ITM); the rest of the money is not working for me at all

I do play a little bit, here's my pathetic lifetime chip graph in iPoker €10s (the latter half of the tourneys were played this April).



My graphs in other game variants are much worse, but that's history because I can choose to never play those variants again

I have huge confidence issues and am sleep-deprived, so it's extremely hard for me to hit the tables (that's why I post too much - that's a way of procrastination). I almost need to be tied to the chair by ropes to put in volume.

The above doesn't contradict my intention to have a decent hourly - my monthly winnings will still be low because of playing too few hours a month (when I feel that I'm in a sufficiently good shape).

But you've misunderstood me - I've stopped advising on how to play hands long ago, as I'm not proficient at it, and I've never claimed to be an authority at any aspect of poker. I'm more focused on the metagame, like game selection (not playing in games that I can't beat) and math, like SwongSim simulations.

And I usually lean on the pessimistic side. I can't tell a player whom I don't know well that he's going to have 40% at the 30s right off the bat... after 6 months of study, yes, I hope he can beat the 60s with 36-37% ITM.

you don't say...

What is the reason at ask about hourly/opposition etc if youre going to be one of the best anyway? Just become the best and you will see. Don't ask about hourly cause probably noone can achieve as high hourly like yours after that six months. Can you please post your SN so we can follow your career?

Since you are this good, I guess you can achieve 38,5 itm 6 tabling even without spinwiz non stop. And I guess you are already supernova so you are looking at around 200 dollars the hour.

The best way to measure one's hourly is to actually play a few thousand tourneys at the chosen stake. Thankfully, the chip EV winrate converges fast enough, it can be plugged into the formula from post #1946 itt to find out the ROI and hence the hourly.

$EV_per_tourney = rakeback_per_tourney + (((chipEV / #tourneys) + 500) / 1500) * prize_pool

where the blue part is the EV ITM.

Not sure if serious

Anyway, let him go for the swag. If he fails, you'll be left with a big enough share of recs' deposits. If he wins, he'll likely start twitching and let you learn. Win-win.