3max is really nice and if they had the current spin n go with decent volumes winner take all and that battle net system i would advocate to replace HUs by those to fix the problem of hardcore table selection that plague husng

There wouldnt be fish if it wasnt because of the spin.

winamax offer some 3 MAX and 4 MAX shorthanded SNG for many years and traffic is far from dead.

So is the PT4 'Overlay Net Adjusted' line accurate for these? It doesn't feel like I'm running amazingly or anything, but if it's accurate I'm running way above expectation, which is worrying.

These Spin and Gos are a lot of fun. I can understand why they are popular with the recreational crowds. They are very tablet and portable friendly and I see a lot of people playing on those devices at my tables.

I don't really want to see these evolve to much from where they currently are at the moment but in my degenerate dream world it would be kind of cool to have maybe a few MTT Spin and Gos sprinkled here and there throughout the daily schedule.

Imagine how popular they would be with the recreational players and how much publicity they would gain when a huge one went off. A $30 1000x multiplier would be like a live Super Highroller, haha.

Obviously don't make them winner take all.

last 10 1000x i watched 9 times it was pretty muh all randoms sreaming to get a deal for 400buyins each

"These Spin and Gos are a lot of fun."

This basically means you havent grinded them too much and/or you ran pretty good....

What is fun about a game with lonh be/loosing stretches/ 20-30 buyin drops within a single session or where you are basically guaranteed a 300+ buyin downswing (if you are a +ev player that is)

Don't play SnGs so much anymore. They get sprinkled in here and there throughout my schedule. Just checked my DB and I've only played 70x $15 spin and gos so far. I've won 31 of them and I'm up $420 at close to 44%ROI.

+ 11,500 chips, chips expected about 9,000

I don't know how much more difficult the $30's are but the $15's feel like wiffle ball. I know my sample size is very small and I've probably drawn some good lineups as I haven't recognized many names but games are good.

Either way, if you don't rely on these games for income they actually are quite fun

yeah Pokerstars is a lot of fun recently cutting tens of countries, affiliates and killing working formats

I don't mean action is flown to spins, it just got killed in general, look at total number of players online

I dont think I said that in the article.
Its hard to estimate the potential ROI there right now. So I don't try to do that.

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x27...-go_videogames

*pleaseinsertGIANTfacepalmhere*

They really lost it as it seems....

just wow

at least no one can accuse Pokerstars of promoting online poker as an activity for degenerative reckless gamblers

Hahahaha that's the sickest **** i've ever seen

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You didn't, but in the graph, you compared EV lines of a usual SnG player and a Spin & Go player with the same ROI at the same stake, i.e. possibly players of different skill levels.

Next time a government somewhere wants to ban online poker it's going to be fun to try to argue that poker is a game of skill.

I don't think these are attracting new players to the game. They are just some sort of big magnet for all the fish from other formats. We can forget about getting recreational in any other form of the game. Fishes are all playing the spin. They might even be a turn off for people who where attracted by the skill aspect of the game.

On the bright side, they are a really fun format, they are super soft and the wheel with the chance of a big win is pretty much a guaranty of a lifetime fish supply. But 8% rake + that variance is very bad new for poker pros.

After years of successfully promoting poker, stars (and its new ownership ??) is wrecking it big time.

How tough are the $30s? Is there a big skill jump from the $15s to the $30s? Or are they still soft?

have played only about 100 of each and havent seen any difference in skill level at all. probably a sample size issue but if not it could be explained by fish chasing the biggest possible jackpot

regs should be better on the 30s though

I played 30s only for 2 days. In games with 2x prize you see players going all in with hands like A7 vs QK during first orbit. Than you have to play against the winner who shoves liberally over your opens and limps. I managed to win 900 first day getting a few 180 and 120 prizes. Next day I saw more regs from various formats, who were playing really bad, like open and calling a shove with T9 for 20bbs. Overall its really high variance game. Most time you got 2x prizes and have to grind it paying ridiculous rake.

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39.6 ITM and -5% ROI cos winning anything >2x is not possible

once the wheel has stopped at the min prize they just want to GII and try another. OS AQs get 2 calls one has T9o the other one 75o. XR AI a KT6 flop and get called by 64o.
Softest games I have seen in a while.

Thanks for the info guys, I had a strong win rate through 1900 games in the $15s (36.6%), decided it's time to try my luck in the $30s. I don't have much experience in hyper HUSNGs but ironically they require a somewhat similar skill set to regular speed SNGs, which is my background, since there is a lot of postflop play.

Just won 30k jackpot in a 30$.....

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