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10-24-2014 , 05:41 PM
I understand where these guys wanna go with a shortstack in a 100bb game, but considering that the GII ranges in the games we play get wider the shorter we get in general, the shortstack at the table might just as well be an advantage for someone who wants to get more chips in the middle, and in some cases, the idea our MTT friends describe, might apply. So overall it my just cancel itself out or backfire...

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Harrington and Moshman wrote long ago in their seminal books about playing in the 'dead zone'
One more thing about that.. they probably never had 3max games in mind either more like fullring. So applying the same concepts to nowadays without reviewing them is a bit advantagous..
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10-24-2014 , 10:33 PM
Wowwow gg went on massive downswing today. Thank you for mininmizing my stacksize to 0 every game Full Tilt Jokers. I am officially quitting these ***** unbeatable games. I hope you "regs" enjoy your positive EV lines now that you don't automatically have -10% EVROI every time you enter a game with Poisonlolz.

SPIN & GO'S SHOULD BE BANNED

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10-24-2014 , 11:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Poisonlolz
Wowwow gg went on massive downswing today. Thank you for mininmizing my stacksize to 0 every game Full Tilt Jokers. I am officially quitting these ***** unbeatable games. I hope you "regs" enjoy your positive EV lines now that you don't automatically have -10% EVROI every time you enter a game with Poisonlolz.

SPIN & GO'S SHOULD BE BANNED

Please don't make it so obvious dude, the first few post were actually believable and funny but it all went downhill after you posted the HH.
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10-25-2014 , 03:15 AM
Yeah, it's not funny any longer. I believe Poisonlolz will just go back to Stars 15s or FTP 10s as if nothing has happened.
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10-27-2014 , 11:45 AM
Hit my first 100 multiplier and binked it in no time!
Hold'em Manager recommended for these or how do you guys track it?
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10-27-2014 , 04:24 PM
U mean 100 buyin pool or 100x"avg pool" ie 300 buyins?

Gg regardless

I use pt4 tho I having issues using it with spins
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10-27-2014 , 05:57 PM
$1500 in 1 $15 buy-in. Was cake, 2 weak opponents.
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10-27-2014 , 07:47 PM
feel slightly sick

somehow managed to tick the $15 box and didn't notice, and regged for four of those instead of $1

then had a bunch of window-licking mongtards click buttons and suck out on me with complete f*cking garbage in all four for full stacks every time

wiped out basically my entire profit from 1000 games of 1s

lobby layout needs to change so that this is much harder to do accidentally


right now I just feel numb, a month's worth of games just gone up in smoke

not only do i run like aids at the tables, apparently i also run like aids in the f*cking lobby
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10-27-2014 , 07:59 PM
How on earth do you "misclick" the higher stakes? Swapping tabs resets your chosen stake to $1, but the other way around is really hard to see how that could happen.
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10-27-2014 , 08:06 PM
just clicked on the lobby to bring it to the front as the register button was obscured, must have clicked the tiny little circle on 15s to do so
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10-27-2014 , 08:12 PM
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Originally Posted by biker
feel slightly sick

somehow managed to tick the $15 box and didn't notice, and regged for four of those instead of $1

then had a bunch of window-licking mongtards click buttons and suck out on me with complete f*cking garbage in all four for full stacks every time

wiped out basically my entire profit from 1000 games of 1s

lobby layout needs to change so that this is much harder to do accidentally


right now I just feel numb, a month's worth of games just gone up in smoke

not only do i run like aids at the tables, apparently i also run like aids in the f*cking lobby
Unlucky

Hope you get a few decent multipliers and get it back
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10-27-2014 , 08:21 PM
Something similar happened to me last year too with HU hypers. I was playing 7$ games. And one day I came home a little drunk and started regging 30's and 60's without noticing anything, as I had the medium stakes tab opened from before. I think I played 6 before I noticed.
I just got really hot at that moment, sweat started dripping and my mouth went dry. I lost 200$, which was a big deal.
After the whole fiasco I went to:
Requests->Responsible gaming->Restrict tournament buyin limit and set it to 15.

Luckily I got those 200$ back in the all-in tourney during the golden sit&go's week. I most certainly wont play drunk again.
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10-27-2014 , 08:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Qlka
No, if you finish 3rd. Its better to look for chips adjusted.

Formula to convert chips into ROI:
((chips won per game + 500) / 1500 * (1 - rake)* 3 - 1) * 100
Will you please explain, doing something wrong
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10-28-2014 , 12:18 AM
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Originally Posted by blipandblop
Will you please explain, doing something wrong


EV chips won per game = total chips won / total games.

Rake is 0.04 for $7+ games, 0.05 for $3, and 0.07 for $1.


Breaking it down:
Expected ROI = ((expected win rate * expected prize pool buyins) - 1 buyin) * 100

Expected win rate = (EV chips won per game + 500) / 1500

Expected prize pool buyins = 3 - 3 * rake = (1 - rake) * 3


Example:
Rake = 0.04
EV chips per game = 40

Expected prize pool buyins
= (1 - rake) * 3
= (1 - 0.04) * 3
= .96 * 3
= 2.88

Expected win rate
= (40 + 500) / 1500 = 0.36

Expected ROI
= (0.36 * 2.88 - 1) * 100
= 3.68% (see note)


Note: This is for a purely winner-take-all format, so actual expected ROIs will differ for .com Spin&Go, being very slightly lower for expected winners. For the example above, expected ROI will actually be 3.61% rather than 3.68%.
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10-28-2014 , 11:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Max Cut


EV chips won per game = total chips won / total games.

Rake is 0.04 for $7+ games, 0.05 for $3, and 0.07 for $1.


Breaking it down:
Expected ROI = ((expected win rate * expected prize pool buyins) - 1 buyin) * 100

Expected win rate = (EV chips won per game + 500) / 1500

Expected prize pool buyins = 3 - 3 * rake = (1 - rake) * 3


Example:
Rake = 0.04
EV chips per game = 40

Expected prize pool buyins
= (1 - rake) * 3
= (1 - 0.04) * 3
= .96 * 3
= 2.88

Expected win rate
= (40 + 500) / 1500 = 0.36

Expected ROI
= (0.36 * 2.88 - 1) * 100
= 3.68% (see note)


Note: This is for a purely winner-take-all format, so actual expected ROIs will differ for .com Spin&Go, being very slightly lower for expected winners. For the example above, expected ROI will actually be 3.61% rather than 3.68%.
""""Expected ROI
= (0.36 * 2.88 - 1) * 100
= 3.68% (see note)""""

Should it be (0,36*2,88 - 0,96) * 100?

Else we take rake twice for our own buy in?
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10-28-2014 , 11:22 AM
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Originally Posted by blipandblop
""""Expected ROI
= (0.36 * 2.88 - 1) * 100
= 3.68% (see note)""""

Should it be (0,36*2,88 - 0,96) * 100?

Else we take rake twice for our own buy in?
Sincere thanks for checking--it's easy to miss mistakes. I think it's correct. The first part is how much is in the prizepool (total buyins - total rake) and the second part is how much we paid in total (1 buyin).

With a win rate of 100% it gives 188% ROI, which is correct, and with 0% win rate it gives -100% ROI, which is correct.
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10-28-2014 , 02:38 PM
Sorry for this off-topic post.

Spamz I have a question for you. I was wondering if you ever feel guilt or regret that you took a break from poker. What did you do on the break? Does it not bother you that you could have made 1 or 2 million, or more, in the time you were away. Essentially be settled for life.

Apologies of this offensive, I don't mean that, it is just that I took a break and finished my degree and I feel extremely guilty about it. I could easily have made 500k-1000k in the time I was away. Well I wasn't away, I was just playing very little. I feel like I had a lot of potential, which I have essentially wasted for a degree in law which I don't even want. I wonder if I will ever forget this feeling, I think this will haunt me forever.
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10-28-2014 , 04:11 PM
thanks to praytool. there are still honest guys out there
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10-28-2014 , 04:18 PM
Does PT4 show spins' results correctly ?

It showed my 60$ win in a 15$ game as a 28.20$ net won, and unless I'm completely lost in space it shouldn't be like that I also have some +45$ net won, which I'm assuming are from other 60s that I won..
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10-28-2014 , 04:42 PM
There's def smth wrong with PT4. It apparently shows that you have won an average prize ($43.20=3*$14.40 - exactly 3 BIs with rake subtracted) instead of the actual one. The same thing has recently happened to Twister (iPoker) tracking in PT4 (the bug started occurring last weekend). I suggest that you send a support ticket to the PT4 developers.
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10-28-2014 , 09:34 PM
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Originally Posted by WhySo
Sorry for this off-topic post.

Spamz I have a question for you. I was wondering if you ever feel guilt or regret that you took a break from poker. What did you do on the break? Does it not bother you that you could have made 1 or 2 million, or more, in the time you were away. Essentially be settled for life.

Apologies of this offensive, I don't mean that, it is just that I took a break and finished my degree and I feel extremely guilty about it. I could easily have made 500k-1000k in the time I was away. Well I wasn't away, I was just playing very little. I feel like I had a lot of potential, which I have essentially wasted for a degree in law which I don't even want. I wonder if I will ever forget this feeling, I think this will haunt me forever.
Was gonna pm but you don't have enough posts to receive. Don't click if you don't want to read (it's not about spin&go's):
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I don't really have any regrets tbh. Only regret wrt poker I have is probably that I hadn't started at age 18 instead of 21. 2-3 more golden years would have indeed probably settled me for life.
I'm also going to uni atm, though in math and not law. 3 years general math, then 2 years pure math followed by 1 year of financial and actuarial engineering if things go right. The big switch was pretty much black friday for me, despite not living in the USA. I loved ftp, software, blindstructure, lobbies... everything really. Did a bit of stars and partypoker but meh. Moved back home when I called it, no regrets. Tbf I'm not sure how I would do in the current poker economy. Stars is pretty much only site with decent action, and turbo's are low traffic and long wait lists. Hypers are more traffic but also wait list. I'm not the type of person to sit in line and wait for fish. I think I only opensat like sub 5% of my ten thousands of games altogether. I'd just look at lobby and play whoever I wanted. With the current lobby and cartels and what not I'd go mad. Or broke from playing regs 24/7 trying to bust their roll and mine in the process due to rake.

Maybe I would have adapted better than I currently give myself credit for, I'm not sure. I probably would've swapped to hu or 6max plo by now I reckon. Quite love that game. Chicagory mentioned that people still are crushing wrt profit, which could be possible, I just don't see it as have been a viable option for me given the current situation. Even if I didn't go to uni: burned out/bored (you have no idea how happy I was first day at uni that I HAD to get up at like 7am instead of just staying in bed because you can), no more awesome ftp, twiddling thumbs waiting around in line, etc. REALLY really not my thing, so I honestly don't believe I missed out on it (apart from maybe like a year after black friday, I didn't play much then anymore). I'm actually quite happy grinding some spin&gos right now. The bingo element keeps me sharp. ^^ Gonna try and see if I can get supernova with them next year while making some money on the side. I mean, I'm not settled for life, that's not a secret, but just making like $1k-$2k a month from casually playing some week nights or weekends when I don't have anything else to do is quite enjoyable.

tl;dr: no regrets of quiting given current poker economy; regrets of not having time machine to start 3 years earlier than I have
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10-29-2014 , 03:03 AM
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We don't always agree, and I guess not entirely here haha, but I think you'd of done well if you kept playing, assuming you could keep up the motivation and interest (huge if for players, even some of the very best over the years that disappear relatively overnight).

But if you kept that up, there's no reason to think you wouldn't maintain being one of the best $200-500 regs for years, and you'd do fine fighting regs out of your lobbies to get access to bad players.

I mean, you played/hunted plenty of weaker regs when you played, today's environment is not so different in that regard.
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10-29-2014 , 10:42 AM
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In general I have the attention span of a fish. I used to have a new hobby every couple of months. It's been surprising that I managed to keep playing poker for that long. Then again there was always something to strive for. Once I played vs what I considered the best at hu sng's (livb etc), the motivation and interest surely went down already. So yeah, don't think I would've made it because of that.


Also @ spin&go's. Lolswings. Down 30 bi's to ******ed **** and then winning 3 games at once puts me almost back even due to multipliers. ^^
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10-29-2014 , 01:15 PM
Hm2 doesnt seem to calculate EV correctly. The price pool is only 100% correct when you actually win the tourney. Any idea if they are working on that?
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10-29-2014 , 02:35 PM
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Originally Posted by ro0tseven
Hm2 doesnt seem to calculate EV correctly. The price pool is only 100% correct when you actually win the tourney. Any idea if they are working on that?

Most recent result from searcing "spin" in the HM2 support thread.

forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showpost.php?p=44979857&postcount=42218
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