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03-16-2012 , 07:45 PM
hes a husng rep, talk about husng specific i guess?
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03-17-2012 , 07:08 AM
PS everything is good but we all hope to see changes soon. Everyone here is still waiting. I don't mean to be rude but... This topic is from more than a month and there were another one before that, but no changes yet

Come on, we dont want something super big, just "add more table" option, less rematch time and maybe bigger lobby, will be a great start! Keeping players happy = good for PokerStars! More games = more rake = good for PokerStars! Is that so hard to do? Promos, maybe different (slower) structure in HT (as someone sugested), rake reduce maybe require more time to figure out, but for the mentioned things before that Im not really sure...

And of course - add more HU MTT in the schedule. Knockouts are not bad and they finish very fast but are capped to 256. You can attract more players in this
if you just let more people to play. Make one daily $20 HU KO just like in Pokerstars.fr with 10$ of bounty and $10 to the prize pool. For those of you who dont know what the structure is - its Hyper with 500 chips and 3 minute levels.

I can't imagine that is too hard to do.

And here is one promo idea:

Daily HUMTT satellite with lets say $10/20 Buy-in where for every $215 in the prize pool one player qualifies for $215 Weekly Heads-Up which hardly gets 200 people in it and maybe is the on of the less played "Weekly" tourneys in PokerStars. I imagine at least 10 players (if the BI is $10) will qualify for the event on Sunday. Also - you can give a bounty for the PS pros in this tourney.

Other promo idea:

Get Bjoerni89 or Isildur1 in it as PS pros and high stakes players so it will attract attention.You can give a chance to Saturday Duel winner to play with them for some kind of $ but the Duel already attracts a lot of people. Or all monthy duel winners from the previous month will play in HU duel at the start ot new month and the winner will play with PS Pro. Otherwise you can also make daily satellites for Saturdays final where the winner will advance to play with on of the pros on Sunday with lets say best of 3 games and if he wins gets X$.

Is also can be done with HUSNG steps imo. Finals can be weekly or monthly. Call it KING OF THE HILL or whatever. And if someday start to add badges or something similar to player profiles it will be great show off from event like this.

It just an idea of course and I don't pretend to be great. This is where 2+2 HUSNG community comes in so we can all think of the best available option.

Last edited by -Gio-; 03-17-2012 at 07:37 AM.
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03-17-2012 , 07:12 AM
More HU MTTs with a nice gtds please. Give us overlay one time!
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03-17-2012 , 09:51 PM
This is being reposted to all "Suggestion" threads

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Hey everyone.

Recently I was selected to be one of the 3 representatives meeting with Pokerstars. I will meet with them on April 11th-13th.

Pokerstars has said repeatedly that they are listening to players and the feedback you provide is very important. Part of my role as a delegate is to relay the best ideas and report back with an explanation of what the PS policies are so that you can better understand why PS does what they do.

I see that some players (particularly cash game players) are concerned with the representation for this meeting. I can't speak for the other delegates, but I care deeply about this and you can always speak to me about any issues you have - you can PM me or email alexwice@gmail.com and I will always get a reply back to you within 24h. But the best way to get the representation you want is to shed light on the issues and figure out the best proposals. I will work hard on this but I appreciate any help along the way.

I think it is most useful to separate ideas into two main categories:

1. Identifying a Problem
2. Offering a Solution

Sometimes, especially when the issue is simple, you know what the problem is AND the solution.

However, there are many times where you know what the problem is, but you don't know the solution -- only that there is a deep problem. Other times, you see a problem, and you have an idea of what could be done to fix that problem. If you have a problem but not a solution, I still welcome these kinds of posts, because identifying the problems is still very important. And maybe someone will read your post and have a solution -- different people are good at different things.

I am working on reading every single post made in every single suggestion thread. However, something that can help me and others is to repost things you find important. This can get the ball rolling where people can converge on the best solutions.

Also, don't be afraid to list a problem, no matter how minor it may seem. For example, the problem could be something simple as not having an "auto top-up" checkbox for rebuys -- or even smaller, like a graphical typo. I will personally review ALL issues raised and include it in the comprehensive agenda.

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Here are my suggestions to people interested in figuring out the issues with me:

When identifying a problem, try to pinpoint exactly who is affected by the problem and why they are affected. If possible, make a comparison to other sites.

When offering a solution, try to come from an objective point of view if possible. My influence in particular can only extend to solutions that also improves conditions for PS as well.

You can post in this thread, but posting in the thread linked below makes it more likely that all three reps will see your post.

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/28...tions-1181606/

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As for me, I will spend the next three weeks looking over your posts (both new and in the past) as well as discussing some of the topics that come up in these various threads and hammering out potential solutions. I will look to make an agenda some time at the beginning of April that gives an overview of all identified problems and possible solutions, as well as itemizing each problem (both big and small) in detail. I've taken it upon myself to be very familiar with every suggestion so that I don't need to read anything during meetings, I have the best context of what players want out of anyone in the room, and I can best analyze the PS information.

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Thanks to everyone that is helping in this project with me.
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03-18-2012 , 06:07 AM
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Originally Posted by new_draks
Probably most of you know the tournament $10.20 heads up hyper (id: 530557928)

you start with 1000 chips and blinds starting at 50/100 with antes so you have 10bb's to start...and blind increase every 1 min.

What would you think guys of create HUsngs Hypers with blinds starting at 50/100 and 1000 stack? I'd love it
Please never, ever, ever do this.
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03-18-2012 , 01:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Alex Wice
[i]I am working on reading every single post made in every single suggestion thread.
Hi Alex,

Sorry to give you extra homework, but we've been discussing limit husngs here:

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/21...hread-1174349/

(Also contains some cliffs of this thread and touches on limit MTTs)

Big respect for all the work you're doing
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03-18-2012 , 06:33 PM
To reset the timebank if you make the final in a 4man shootout
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03-19-2012 , 12:30 PM
the most urgent changes needed are :

1) Fix the simulsits (theres many great ideas how to go about it in this thread )
2) More promotions
3) Dont make the rematch window take focus over note box etc

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9999999999999) shorten the rematch window / Add plo sts

it would be good if ps would adress the most needed changes quickest instead of vice versa
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03-19-2012 , 03:10 PM
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Originally Posted by fastcolt
the most urgent changes needed are :

1) Fix the simulsits (theres many great ideas how to go about it in this thread )
2) More promotions
3) Dont make the rematch window take focus over note box etc

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9999999999999) shorten the rematch window / Add plo sts

it would be good if ps would adress the most needed changes quickest instead of vice versa
agree with #1 and #2. also #3, but it can be expanded into a bunch of little things (checkbox for chop/more tables/series of games)
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03-19-2012 , 11:53 PM
yeah sure can be, i just wanted to say, ps plz do the urgent things first, the secondary luxury things second

but i mean, all those things in my mind at least, are luxury like non urgent, i just feel like stars is focussing on things that are least urgent at the moment

for example reducing time it takes to click accept/deny is (while obv wanted)
WAY less important then stopping rematch window from taking focus over note box

and just wanted to point out that IMO there should be put a focus on the more needed/urgent tasks first, because it feels a bit as if PS is just picking random ideas and are implementing those with no clear structure of which are more urgent or not.

So perhaps we should try and categorise in order of importance the suggestions already in this thread
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03-20-2012 , 12:32 AM
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Originally Posted by fastcolt
yeah sure can be, i just wanted to say, ps plz do the urgent things first, the secondary luxury things second

but i mean, all those things in my mind at least, are luxury like non urgent, i just feel like stars is focussing on things that are least urgent at the moment

for example reducing time it takes to click accept/deny is (while obv wanted)
WAY less important then stopping rematch window from taking focus over note box

and just wanted to point out that IMO there should be put a focus on the more needed/urgent tasks first, because it feels a bit as if PS is just picking random ideas and are implementing those with no clear structure of which are more urgent or not.

So perhaps we should try and categorise in order of importance the suggestions already in this thread
agreed!
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03-20-2012 , 12:53 AM
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Originally Posted by RigMeARiver
Hi Alex,
Thanks, looking at it. Don't know how I missed it because I used to check that forum quite a lot.
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03-20-2012 , 12:59 AM
What do you guys think about freezing the lobby? I am aware that during misregs, a lot of regs just flip and eat the rake. How freezing would work is very simple -- if you reg for a HU game, that lobby is frozen for 3 seconds before anyone else can reg. Or just in general, any ideas about "fixing" misregs. Or do they not need to be fixed?

Last edited by Alex Wice; 03-20-2012 at 01:05 AM.
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03-20-2012 , 01:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Alex Wice
What do you guys think about freezing the lobby? I am aware that during misregs, a lot of regs just flip and eat the rake. How freezing would work is very simple -- if you reg for a HU game, that lobby is frozen for 3 seconds before anyone else can reg.
Sounds perfect! So annoying when you both try to snap reg first and then have to chop and bite the rake bullet.
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03-20-2012 , 02:41 AM
looking at the thread on here about most consecutive wins, I think a promotion would work really good here. IE win 10 husng in a row and get some sort of prize/#of buyins etc.
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03-20-2012 , 03:04 AM
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Originally Posted by greenbast
looking at the thread on here about most consecutive wins, I think a promotion would work really good here. IE win 10 husng in a row and get some sort of prize/#of buyins etc.
I don't like it... way too abusable. Even with subtle cheating -- for example, wait until you win 6 in a row naturally, then find 4 friends.
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03-20-2012 , 10:31 AM
What kind of promotions do you have in mind?
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03-20-2012 , 11:27 AM
I think stars has no interest in us not sitting each other simultaneously because it just means more rake for them. But I'd like to be wrong here.
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03-20-2012 , 11:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Shove
I think stars has no interest in us not sitting each other simultaneously because it just means more rake for them. But I'd like to be wrong here.
you're going to get an infraction; I got one last night for something similar.
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03-20-2012 , 11:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Alex Wice
What do you guys think about freezing the lobby? I am aware that during misregs, a lot of regs just flip and eat the rake. How freezing would work is very simple -- if you reg for a HU game, that lobby is frozen for 3 seconds before anyone else can reg. Or just in general, any ideas about "fixing" misregs. Or do they not need to be fixed?
This is fine as long as (and this is extremely important) Pstars doesn't misinterpret this and freezes the lobby when 2 people sit allowing one person to unreg. People should not be able to leave a hu match one of the people wants to play.

Another solution would be to allow the players to chop rake free before anyone plays a hand.
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03-20-2012 , 12:11 PM
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Originally Posted by SuperRu
Another solution would be to allow the players to chop rake free before anyone plays a hand.
Bad idea, adds an exploit for some people to act as if they same-time regged, ask you for chop and then get to steal your lobby.

The most sensible long-term solution would be to fix the game, not the lobby system. Make it worthwhile for regs to sit other regs. As I've shown in an earlier post, the rake is too big for the current format to make battling regs a worthwhile investment. Even if you do have an edge, you'll have to fight through the rake just to break even.

I really liked bighusla's suggestion of increasing blind intervals. An increase to 3 minute blinds makes a world of difference. The people who like the hypers because of their quick nature still get a very fast paced game.
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03-23-2012 , 02:42 PM
*bump*

come on guys its important topic
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03-23-2012 , 04:21 PM
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Originally Posted by u cnat spel
Bad idea, adds an exploit for some people to act as if they same-time regged, ask you for chop and then get to steal your lobby.

The most sensible long-term solution would be to fix the game, not the lobby system. Make it worthwhile for regs to sit other regs. As I've shown in an earlier post, the rake is too big for the current format to make battling regs a worthwhile investment. Even if you do have an edge, you'll have to fight through the rake just to break even.

I really liked bighusla's suggestion of increasing blind intervals. An increase to 3 minute blinds makes a world of difference. The people who like the hypers because of their quick nature still get a very fast paced game.
This
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03-23-2012 , 05:36 PM
Not sure to be honest. I think that hypers are pretty nicely beatable even with 2min blind intervals for now. Though I believe that changes will be necessary to do in the future and possibly starting with 30bb instead of 25bb. Still it has time. The hypers are well structured for now.
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03-23-2012 , 05:40 PM
reducing rake would be way better imo.. look at the final graphs in the emotionx/hyi vam propbet.. lolrake
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