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08-11-2011 , 12:09 PM

Happyz

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Readless is river a valuebet ?

Poker Stars, $3.32 Buy-in (10/20 blinds) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 2 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #10254262

BB: 1,520 (76 bb)
Hero (SB): 1,480 (74 bb)

Preflop: Hero is SB with A

Hero raises to 50, BB calls 30

Flop: (100) 4

(2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets 50, BB calls 50

Turn: (200) A

(2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets 125, BB calls 125

River: (450) 8

(2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets 300, BB raises to 600, Hero folds

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08-11-2011 , 05:18 PM

bunzablood

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Sure looks like a value bet...but u sure about folding top 2 for just 300 more?

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08-11-2011 , 05:26 PM

mrbambocha

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Just jam turn at those stakes

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08-11-2011 , 05:32 PM

stone75

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Originally Posted by mrbambocha

Just jam turn at those stakes

and you will bet 1280 into a pot of 200 after a card hits our opponent most likely does not like??? why?

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08-11-2011 , 05:50 PM

Abraham Setrakian

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Originally Posted by Happyz

Readless is river a valuebet ?

yes, but bet smaller. I'd go for 200.

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08-11-2011 , 06:44 PM

Nederlander

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300 seems fine, ez fold vs raise.

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08-11-2011 , 10:10 PM

mrbambocha

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and you will bet 1280 into a pot of 200 after a card hits our opponent most likely does not like??? why?

Because he sees his opportunity to win the match quickly if he hits his straight on the river with his 65 or K8. Have you never been a fish? To win against a fish you have to think like a fish, your not playing ivey here. Do you think he is calculating his pot odds and thinking of implied odds and fold equtiy? He sees the money, he sees his change to win the match, lets go for it..He not putting you on a range or anything. As played, snap fold. I would never call a cr on R against a fish without the nuts, not even if the board was 56789.

Last edited by mrbambocha; 08-11-2011 at 10:26 PM.

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08-11-2011 , 10:26 PM

kieranf

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Bet-fold readless is good, you can get value from other two pairs & some Ax.

Bet size will depend on opponent and how much I think I can get paid by those hands.

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08-12-2011 , 04:35 AM

stone75

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Originally Posted by mrbambocha

ok, agree with you that i would bet the turn bigger (but 160-180), but your suggestion implies that he has the straight draw and only the straight draw. At the moment the hand is played on the turn you can't give him just this range. He can have a weak pair otf and the A could scare him, so even the biggest fish in the word would fold to a 6x pot size bet and most fish would even fold the straight draw there. So that's the reason this is really not the best play even against a bad player.

And for the river - of course fold as you said

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08-12-2011 , 04:41 AM

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Polycarpus

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Originally Posted by Happyz

Readless is river a valuebet ?

Bet/fold seems fine, as you did

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Originally Posted by bunzablood

Sure looks like a value bet...but u sure about folding top 2 for just 300 more?

It's not even top 2. Its TP & 4th pair. But even if it was top-2, I'd fold pretty quickly vs this 2x river c/r against most

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Originally Posted by mrbambocha

Just jam turn at those stakes

Looks incredibly spewy. He'll fold a lot of hands we want to keep in, and might call with some we beat, but also with a made straight or a set. We really are too deep here to shove.

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08-12-2011 , 08:54 AM

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mrbambocha

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[QUOTE=Polycarpus;
Looks incredibly spewy. He'll fold a lot of hands we want to keep in, and might call with some we beat, but also with a made straight or a set. We really are too deep here to shove.[/QUOTE]

Ya maybe, Im used to the ST. How about an overbet to 300 on the turn?

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