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03-17-2011 , 04:39 PM
completely agree op

i generally wait for pokerfun666 to post in the thread and take his advice because most everything else is just lowstakes losers talking about what they obviously dont know.
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03-17-2011 , 04:40 PM
I don't mind anyone commenting, but I have when a $10 player says something like ''lol wtf are u doing? easy turn ch/f haha'' when I make a thread, i mean WHAT THE **** DO YOU KNOW, IM PLAYING 20TIMES HIGHER THAN YOU, THAT'S ****ING RIGHT, 1 BUYIN FOR ME IS YOUR BR, SAWK MY ****
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03-17-2011 , 05:25 PM
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Originally Posted by KarlizL
I don't mind anyone commenting, but I have when a $10 player says something like ''lol wtf are u doing? easy turn ch/f haha'' when I make a thread, i mean WHAT THE **** DO YOU KNOW, IM PLAYING 20TIMES HIGHER THAN YOU, THAT'S ****ING RIGHT, 1 BUYIN FOR ME IS YOUR BR, SAWK MY ****
I lol'd bc it's true.
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03-17-2011 , 06:40 PM
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Originally Posted by ChicagoRy
I think it just boils down to a lot of posts being unhelpful because they don't explain reasoning behind what they are advocating.

Even if we know a guy beats $500+, if he just says "bet/fold" that's not too helpful. We can conclude that bet/fold is more likely to be the best line, but that's not an amazingly insightful or helpful post for us.

And once you start looking at reasoning rather than response, it doesn't matter what stakes you play. The reasoning either holds up or not.

I've been thinking of some ways we might improve the forum. Mostly noise/troll related. I don't have any meaningful thoughts yet, but maybe this is a good thread to bring that up.
+1

though I think Mers makes an interesting point as well. Imo, high stakes players have the option of giving a short answer (such as b/f), or taking the time to go into the rational as to how they reach their decision. I appreciate any response to my threads, and while someone like Sol Reader will often post a well thought out argument for the pros and cons of a line, a simple answer can be just as effective as it forces the OP to figure out for themselves why this line was suggested.

I use to rack my brain trying to figure out why someone like Spamz would suggest a totally different line then the consensus - it was like puzzle I needed to solve.

On the other hand, I think beginners/micro players should take the time to go in depth with there responses (regardless of what thread they are responding to), as a lot of the time they are just repeating rehtoric without fully understanding the rational behind it. My posts are usually long winded and state the obvious - but I want to throw it out there so better players can correct any flaws in my rational.

Personally I try not to post in the higher level threads, but when I do it's to pick the brains of better players and to see how my rational holds up. Just have respect imo - regardless of whose thread you are posting in.
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03-17-2011 , 08:00 PM
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Originally Posted by raised by jews
ill give u 2:1 against this
sample?
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03-18-2011 , 03:00 AM
well in this thread ive solely read the posts from mers hokie yaqh mjw rbj and karlizl

so....

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just jokin, forreal tho, im with mers if 2 guys say bet/call (one for example being mjw, and other being who knows some guy that is not well known. then ill be more inclined to think about why bet/call could be optimal, cuzz mjw posted it. while with the other guy i would just be like, hmm, no reasoning, im skippin this post
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03-18-2011 , 10:57 AM
If a good player gives a very simple un-explained advice, but you know he's serious and not trolling, and especially if that advice is something you did not expect, then it will at least guide you to thinking in the right direction.

You shouldn't need to be spoon-fed reasoning. It does help if you give your reasoning and have it checked, and it's faster if they just tell you, but the self-learning process can be very valuable too.

If a winning/break even player objects to some ideas being presented, and explains why, then I don't see any reason why he shouldn't post if his reasonings are solid or worth considering. Often though, bad posters will completely overlook things that the OP and most other posters in the thread know already. For instance, in some threads people will comment on the preflop or say other previous street play saying they would do it differently or it's more +EV when it could be absolutely standard, then it'd just be cluttering the thread or wasting precious responses the OP are hoping for when instead of address his problems, they have to explain relatively basic ideas to this poster, especially when some of them give these comments out not as a learner, but just assuming they are right and even being rude and saying "lol just fold preflop" and so on.
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03-18-2011 , 11:05 AM
doesn't really matter to me if someone posts bad advice, I'll just correct it lol. Sometimes a low stakes player may post something good that I hadn't even thought of, which is awesome.
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04-02-2011 , 01:34 AM
don't you have to start out a troll before you can become a prince? ♫
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04-02-2011 , 01:37 AM
Sick 2nd post Jan 09er.
I think you are mixing up troll and frog though...
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04-02-2011 , 06:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Sol Reader
For instance, in some threads people will comment on the preflop or say other previous street play saying they would do it differently or it's more +EV when it could be absolutely standard, then it'd just be cluttering the thread or wasting precious responses the OP are hoping for when instead of address his problems, they have to explain relatively basic ideas to this poster, especially when some of them give these comments out not as a learner, but just assuming they are right and even being rude and saying "lol just fold preflop" and so on.
I remember a good poster a while ago explaining that when people recieved comments about streets other than the one they were asking about, and ignored them (or, similarly, posted something like "i know XXX is bad but i want comments on YYY"), they were often doing themselves a disservice, the reason they were in the ****ty spot was due to a horrendous misplay on earlier streets, and actually "lol, fold pre" was the advice they needed most.

Obviously if a nub posts saying lol fold pre and is wrong, that's unhelpful. But it's unhelpful because it's wrong and he didn't provide any reasoning, not because he's commenting on a different part of the hand.
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04-02-2011 , 07:38 AM
the key point is that high stakes posters only post "call." when a spot is really standard for them and they are very sure their play is correct. a certain person however does it all the time and often posts incorrect advice.
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