A situation that happens fairly commonly - you're facing an unknown player and 1st hand he 3bet shoves, what's a good calling range?

a7s+ a8o 22+ kqs

For 12% (A7+ and 22-99) you call with AT+ 44+. If he shoves all A's then u got the answer there.

A9s is -7 chips and 33 -3,4 chips

Aj+, 77+

^is that a joke?

Queens plus is a solid range and AKs if you think that your opponent is mixxing in AQs or 1-2 bluffs. Also don't forget about ICM, we don't want to finish 2nd outside of money.

^^ Lol

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+1 should also throw in some suited trash for balance imo

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You could at least spell the dudes name right, possibly would induce less trolling.

I prefer to add hands like 32o to my mr/c range to metagame villain into making bad 3b jams in the future. Investing the 70% equity of a buyin pays for itself easily because you can preemptively adjust to exploit his perception that you are a fish. Be warned though, the metafish level is an advanced macro strategy which should only be used to exploit advanced players.


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But to answer your question, I think a range of AKs, QQ+ is pretty standard, you don't want to get it in with hands like AJ because villain will have you dominated with AQ/AK so often, so folding most aces is pretty standard. We want to be balancing our range as suggested with suited low hands, where we are less likely to be dominated by villains shoving range i.e. 34s, 52s, because villain is not shoving many A5 combos so we have already put money in by raising we have odds to call shove. We want to make sure our raise is big to polarize our range pre flop, so villain doesn't know if we have AK or 34. I think 80-100 is pretty standard sizing to exploit villain so he makes a mistake to shove AQ. Also raise folding most pairs because why do we want to raise call 77 when villain has a better pair 80% of the time? QQ+ is best because we dominate his AQ which he shoves every time, so he makes tons of mistakes against our range. Sometimes he has AK which sucks when we have QQ because it's a flip, but it's the same as calling 34s because that's a flip vs AK too so that's why we call it for balance.

These are just what most would consider standard, but to create a more GTO style range we would need to use The Dragon, which is very difficult. I would recommend getting a coach for this, it will cost you many buy ins but it is the only way to win long term in poker.

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/18...dragon-648187/

Hope this helps gg and gl!

@OP - this is pretty much the answer. probably not 22,33 - they're very close but not a big mistake either way


@NitFest2k14 - this strat thread (by the same author) is a lot more relevant than The Dragon

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/18...reflop-795876/

You can't beat the dragon.

The only viable counter strategy is a GTFO strategy.


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Thanks for both of your completely useless posts. FYI there is nothing wrong with the spelling of my username, which was chosen whilst listening to this song

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r9sFOyaE8tc

And yes, it is a terrible song, but for some reason I liked it at the time.

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Wow, this forum really is full of complete morons. I might go and hang out in NVG before anymore of my braincells die.

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NO ONE CAN GET ILLER

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yeah nvg is def not full of ******s, i agree with you