How Smart Spin scams their partners/affiliators
03-07-2020
, 02:41 PM
OFFICIAL STATEMENT
The agreement between two adults is used to establish the principles of cooperation that aims to exchange benefits. Both Smart and the other party to the agreement agree on the opportunities, threats, rights, and obligations.
In this case, the contract and the promotional program are very beneficial for both parties. The rules do not arise from philanthropy only from the business model. Both parties benefit from this risk and both parties accept the threat. As with most civil law contracts, Smart has the option to terminate the cooperation at any time, with a specified notice period, and the affiliate receives benefits and profit until then. The chances of high profits are often associated with high risk and as a company (and not a charity organization) we have to take this into account.
If there was no such record and rules that enabled us to experimentally start this program (having the security of termination in the absence of benefits), then no affiliate could (for these 2 to 5 years) reap regular profits because such a program would not exist at all.
Adults are responsible for their own decisions (which is why they can sign civil law contracts from a legal point of view), which means accepting all moral and legal consequences arising from these decisions. The manifestation of responsibility is even playing poker - you sit at the poker table, put money there and accept all the consequences (also negative - that you can lose this money). Writing the walls of the text about the fact that "PokerStars is rigged and we were cheated because we lost money" is a beautifully illustrative example of the unrealism and lack of responsibility for our actions expecting only extremely positive scenarios (lofty approach presented by people exaggerating this topic).
The main reason to run the affiliate program was to engage affiliates in the development of "their" players as every affiliate has been our member. The reason for Smart's termination of the affiliate program is the fact that over the past months we have observed that the initially favorable promotional model that was to motivate to care for players ceased to work because most of the affiliates no longer have an active contract and thus they aren't positively stimulating "their" players. The current state of the poker market has an additional impact, and thus the need to change the pricing policy of Smart (the money from the affiliate budget has been allocated to a significant improvement of the deal). The fact that the affiliate program is not profitable is an important reason to terminate the contract - see point 8.2.
All our affiliates were/will be treated fairly as they were informed in private messages, and their accumulated funds have been / will be paid out in accordance with their contracts. As in the case of terminating other contracts - e.g. an employment contract - this is not a pleasant moment for either party. It remains only - as befits an adult - to accept reality and take responsibility for the consequences of their decisions - especially if they do not go their way. Smart has fulfilled the contract at each of the points. We expect that just as the payments of profits from the benefits of the contract were unquestionably accepted, the decision resulting from a different point of the contract will be adopted with calmness and maturity.
Why is it advisable to comply with the point on the affiliate payment agreement and it is unfounded to comply with the point about the possibility of our termination at any time?
I encourage you to be responsible ... and to be skeptical about fake news produced by people who build their value on scandals and defamation of others.
Business and action will always be threatened by the dissatisfaction and frustration of people who, contrary to their often unreal expectations, do not achieve what they imagined (just like in poker).
We recently had 5 years of activity. During this time, we have signed over 2,000 contracts, offering services for people in need. Will there be people among those who feel unfair? Of course, as in any large group of people. A distinction should be made between people who have been treated unfairly and those who feel subjectively treated unfairly. How does this apply to the vast majority of people who have used our services with satisfaction?
Unfortunately, positive feedback is often only whispered and negative is exclaimed. As a result, sometimes negative comments will appear as our services increase. Nevertheless, I encourage you (especially current members) to think about it objectively, taking into account independent observations and personal experiences with Smart, and not just the extremely colored subjective "tragedy" of the individual.
In addition, I do not recommend any cooperation with BadHabit, as he is an extremely irresponsible person. Moreover, as many of you could find out while he was an active Smart member that he was extremely toxic even more so than my ex - and this is a real feat
The agreement between two adults is used to establish the principles of cooperation that aims to exchange benefits. Both Smart and the other party to the agreement agree on the opportunities, threats, rights, and obligations.
In this case, the contract and the promotional program are very beneficial for both parties. The rules do not arise from philanthropy only from the business model. Both parties benefit from this risk and both parties accept the threat. As with most civil law contracts, Smart has the option to terminate the cooperation at any time, with a specified notice period, and the affiliate receives benefits and profit until then. The chances of high profits are often associated with high risk and as a company (and not a charity organization) we have to take this into account.
If there was no such record and rules that enabled us to experimentally start this program (having the security of termination in the absence of benefits), then no affiliate could (for these 2 to 5 years) reap regular profits because such a program would not exist at all.
Adults are responsible for their own decisions (which is why they can sign civil law contracts from a legal point of view), which means accepting all moral and legal consequences arising from these decisions. The manifestation of responsibility is even playing poker - you sit at the poker table, put money there and accept all the consequences (also negative - that you can lose this money). Writing the walls of the text about the fact that "PokerStars is rigged and we were cheated because we lost money" is a beautifully illustrative example of the unrealism and lack of responsibility for our actions expecting only extremely positive scenarios (lofty approach presented by people exaggerating this topic).
The main reason to run the affiliate program was to engage affiliates in the development of "their" players as every affiliate has been our member. The reason for Smart's termination of the affiliate program is the fact that over the past months we have observed that the initially favorable promotional model that was to motivate to care for players ceased to work because most of the affiliates no longer have an active contract and thus they aren't positively stimulating "their" players. The current state of the poker market has an additional impact, and thus the need to change the pricing policy of Smart (the money from the affiliate budget has been allocated to a significant improvement of the deal). The fact that the affiliate program is not profitable is an important reason to terminate the contract - see point 8.2.
All our affiliates were/will be treated fairly as they were informed in private messages, and their accumulated funds have been / will be paid out in accordance with their contracts. As in the case of terminating other contracts - e.g. an employment contract - this is not a pleasant moment for either party. It remains only - as befits an adult - to accept reality and take responsibility for the consequences of their decisions - especially if they do not go their way. Smart has fulfilled the contract at each of the points. We expect that just as the payments of profits from the benefits of the contract were unquestionably accepted, the decision resulting from a different point of the contract will be adopted with calmness and maturity.
Why is it advisable to comply with the point on the affiliate payment agreement and it is unfounded to comply with the point about the possibility of our termination at any time?
I encourage you to be responsible ... and to be skeptical about fake news produced by people who build their value on scandals and defamation of others.
Business and action will always be threatened by the dissatisfaction and frustration of people who, contrary to their often unreal expectations, do not achieve what they imagined (just like in poker).
We recently had 5 years of activity. During this time, we have signed over 2,000 contracts, offering services for people in need. Will there be people among those who feel unfair? Of course, as in any large group of people. A distinction should be made between people who have been treated unfairly and those who feel subjectively treated unfairly. How does this apply to the vast majority of people who have used our services with satisfaction?
Unfortunately, positive feedback is often only whispered and negative is exclaimed. As a result, sometimes negative comments will appear as our services increase. Nevertheless, I encourage you (especially current members) to think about it objectively, taking into account independent observations and personal experiences with Smart, and not just the extremely colored subjective "tragedy" of the individual.
In addition, I do not recommend any cooperation with BadHabit, as he is an extremely irresponsible person. Moreover, as many of you could find out while he was an active Smart member that he was extremely toxic even more so than my ex - and this is a real feat
03-07-2020
, 05:23 PM
thank you for taking the time and letting someone with proper english prewrite your offical statement cuat69usd. also thank you for getting personal and trying to make it look like I am the guy who is doing something wrong here. As you, a company ceo, are trying to get personal I will write this stament a little more personal aswell.
I would like to adress all the matters. As I have no other channel but this "public" way to get into contact with you or any other smart spin staff members, yet I feel its nessasary to adress some things I have to use some screenshots from discord again.
https://gyazo.com/591357e26d6a78bd2e1336e2467bd77e
here are some wrong informations you are giving. I didnt contact/add 20 people from the office team. I tried to answer to you, as you told me that affiliation program was over, I tried to reply to knowusbro whom added me before, which I couldnt do aswell, as he instantly deleted me after posting that agressive picture towards me.
I only added ciaras because you named him, that he is responsible for making final settlement.
And I added gama as I signed the contract with her and she gave me the "soft promise".
I didn't add anyone else from the staff only zendesk as from what I know it was the official way to get into contact with the team. I waited close to 48 hours before writing this post as it kinda really shocked me how terrible you treat people who helped to get people into your school.
I was toxic towards 3-4 people only, no member, only staff who acted inappropriate or insulted me first, I got treated horrible, even threatened multiple times by staff members and acted accordingly to my virtues but thats another topic.
Oh and talking of soft promises
https://gyazo.com/cc955e1207c3d1e20631b462f22007d0
this is what you posted today as people were questioning what a mans word is worth within smartspin (obviously nothing)
https://gyazo.com/2892180dc617ce97347d2e3ba7cf6dc5
is this a soft promise for you @cuat? an official smart spin staff member by the name of magda (gama) telling me things like that wouldnt happen?
So will my contract continue while other contracts are stopped because I got the soft promise from gama?
adressing the "official statement"
I’ve never heard such bullshit before. The single sole reason to run the affiliate program was to get more clients into smartspin and benefiting (profitting) from them. Ist not the affiliators job to make good players out oft hem. That would be the job of Smart Spin. Now all those players from all different affiliators are stuck tot he program anyways, so you will keep profitting from them and the affiliators efforts while you return NOTHIGN anymore tot he affiliators. You sohuld value every isngle one oft hem for doing the hard work and believing in the school.
Just for the record, as I wasnt to happy about the path of smartspin fort he last couple of months already (basicly from when cuat took over headcoach) I didnt affiliate as hard as before. When people came to me I told them my honest opinion which still remains the same. Smart spin is great from getting low stakes player to midstakes and make them stay there forever unless they study hardcore on their own. Enough tot hat topic though.
Another part of the bullshit is, that you have to be a smart spin member to get affilator. I signed my affiliator contract even before joining smart spin as I wasn't sure if I wanned to join in the beginning. I have made also screenshots from this and upon request I can hand them to you.
To keep up to date with the current poker market you should cut back your own (smart spins) profits and not profits that don‘t actually belong to you. You profited way more from affiliates anyways. Now you just take away their few % to invest in something else.
I assume you weighted in the shitstorm you would get vs the higher profit you can make, good job sir.
Just my personal opinion: I don’t think that someone should ever say about a client. A client that even brought in 21 other clients. I know you have a good reptutation as it apears not many people know your real face. Aparently I had tob e one oft he few who you revealed your real face to. As you really attacked me and my reputation here I feel like I have to write a few words. Yes, I have been toxic towards some of the staff member(incapable ones like you, koczwi and knownusbro), but I always had a reason and usually staff started to be unmannerd/toxic towards me. You yourself even lied to my face just because you would benefit from it when we were discussing about freezing the contract.
Yet there were also staff members I never had any problems with as they know how to behave on a professional lvl especiall towards clients. ciaras, gama (only that she aparently gave me wrong information about the affiliation contract) and valencia are the ones that come into my mind instantly.
I have stated a lot of constructive critism when I was still caring about the course of smartspin which got ether ignored or reffered back in some unmannerd style where I also felt like I have to defend my point because I thought I was in the right (same as I feel here) which I assume is why you think I am a pain in the ass.
In my short poker career I have always stated my honest opinion about everything, if that is bad for my reputation so may it be. When I think I am in the right I will fight for it even if it may cause more damage in the end. I will deal with the consequenzes.
I am also very sorry for your ex as this is not something you should say publicly about a person you once loved, but nothing surprises me with you and your attitude anymore.
I would like to adress all the matters. As I have no other channel but this "public" way to get into contact with you or any other smart spin staff members, yet I feel its nessasary to adress some things I have to use some screenshots from discord again.
https://gyazo.com/591357e26d6a78bd2e1336e2467bd77e
here are some wrong informations you are giving. I didnt contact/add 20 people from the office team. I tried to answer to you, as you told me that affiliation program was over, I tried to reply to knowusbro whom added me before, which I couldnt do aswell, as he instantly deleted me after posting that agressive picture towards me.
I only added ciaras because you named him, that he is responsible for making final settlement.
And I added gama as I signed the contract with her and she gave me the "soft promise".
I didn't add anyone else from the staff only zendesk as from what I know it was the official way to get into contact with the team. I waited close to 48 hours before writing this post as it kinda really shocked me how terrible you treat people who helped to get people into your school.
I was toxic towards 3-4 people only, no member, only staff who acted inappropriate or insulted me first, I got treated horrible, even threatened multiple times by staff members and acted accordingly to my virtues but thats another topic.
Oh and talking of soft promises
https://gyazo.com/cc955e1207c3d1e20631b462f22007d0
this is what you posted today as people were questioning what a mans word is worth within smartspin (obviously nothing)
https://gyazo.com/2892180dc617ce97347d2e3ba7cf6dc5
is this a soft promise for you @cuat? an official smart spin staff member by the name of magda (gama) telling me things like that wouldnt happen?
So will my contract continue while other contracts are stopped because I got the soft promise from gama?
adressing the "official statement"
Quote:
OFFICIAL STATEMENT
The main reason to run the affiliate program was to engage affiliates in the development of "their" players as every affiliate has been our member. The reason for Smart's termination of the affiliate program is the fact that over the past months we have observed that the initially favorable promotional model that was to motivate to care for players ceased to work because most of the affiliates no longer have an active contract and thus they aren't positively stimulating "their" players.
The main reason to run the affiliate program was to engage affiliates in the development of "their" players as every affiliate has been our member. The reason for Smart's termination of the affiliate program is the fact that over the past months we have observed that the initially favorable promotional model that was to motivate to care for players ceased to work because most of the affiliates no longer have an active contract and thus they aren't positively stimulating "their" players.
Just for the record, as I wasnt to happy about the path of smartspin fort he last couple of months already (basicly from when cuat took over headcoach) I didnt affiliate as hard as before. When people came to me I told them my honest opinion which still remains the same. Smart spin is great from getting low stakes player to midstakes and make them stay there forever unless they study hardcore on their own. Enough tot hat topic though.
Another part of the bullshit is, that you have to be a smart spin member to get affilator. I signed my affiliator contract even before joining smart spin as I wasn't sure if I wanned to join in the beginning. I have made also screenshots from this and upon request I can hand them to you.
Quote:
OFFICIAL STATEMENT
The current state of the poker market has an additional impact, and thus the need to change the pricing policy of Smart (the money from the affiliate budget has been allocated to a significant improvement of the deal). The fact that the affiliate program is not profitable is an important reason to terminate the contract - see point 8.2.
The current state of the poker market has an additional impact, and thus the need to change the pricing policy of Smart (the money from the affiliate budget has been allocated to a significant improvement of the deal). The fact that the affiliate program is not profitable is an important reason to terminate the contract - see point 8.2.
I assume you weighted in the shitstorm you would get vs the higher profit you can make, good job sir.
Quote:
OFFICIAL STATEMENT
In addition, I do not recommend any cooperation with BadHabit, as he is an extremely irresponsible person. Moreover, as many of you could find out while he was an active Smart member that he was extremely toxic even more so than my ex - and this is a real feat
In addition, I do not recommend any cooperation with BadHabit, as he is an extremely irresponsible person. Moreover, as many of you could find out while he was an active Smart member that he was extremely toxic even more so than my ex - and this is a real feat
Yet there were also staff members I never had any problems with as they know how to behave on a professional lvl especiall towards clients. ciaras, gama (only that she aparently gave me wrong information about the affiliation contract) and valencia are the ones that come into my mind instantly.
I have stated a lot of constructive critism when I was still caring about the course of smartspin which got ether ignored or reffered back in some unmannerd style where I also felt like I have to defend my point because I thought I was in the right (same as I feel here) which I assume is why you think I am a pain in the ass.
In my short poker career I have always stated my honest opinion about everything, if that is bad for my reputation so may it be. When I think I am in the right I will fight for it even if it may cause more damage in the end. I will deal with the consequenzes.
I am also very sorry for your ex as this is not something you should say publicly about a person you once loved, but nothing surprises me with you and your attitude anymore.
Last edited by BadHabit1989; 03-07-2020 at 05:35 PM.
03-08-2020
, 03:49 AM
) Greedy bastards ....