I don't want this turning into a hate thread

I'm sure most participants who have gone missing are procrastinators who don't realize the trouble they are causing, I'll post better disclaimers next time to avoid this situation. I would really appreciate though if people would answer my feedback PM and come through for their students in some form or another...

A wee bump with a copy/paste of the PM I sent to most of the participants.

I realize some of you are not answering me because they feel bad about dropping out and don't want to have to justify themselves, or maybe some participants are waiting to finish their sessions before sending me feedback.

I would like to reiterate that an answer to my PM would really help me out. I need to know who actually went through with the experience, and who gave up on the way, not for punishment measures (as I've said before, I'm not interested in calling out specific slackers publically) but so I can rearrange things for people who gave a lot of their time to have the coaching they deserve.

Believe me, I understand procrastination, it's a disease I've had all my life, I understand that sometimes you don't want to own up to your mistakes and rather pretend nothing ever happened, I won't judge anybody I just want to salvage what I can from the trees for the sake of people who showed up! (of which there are quite a few thank god)

Hi, not sure as to whether you want a review/update from a student. I gave a short update though a few pages back, since then I had my other video review from TCdynasty and it was great, recommend him for anybody looking to learn more about HU and plugging leaks. Will be up for this again if there is space, thanks for the help.

Yup, I had registered your earlier post! To answer your question, I'm looking to get feedback from all participants. If it's positive feel free to post it here, if it's negative though I'd rather deal with it by PM, no need to start any feuds here

TCDynasty is one of the participants I'm actively trying to help out as he got overwhelmingly good reviews by his students and despite having yet to receive coaching has been very cool and encouraging with me. I actually have someone lined up for you Robert, so expect a PM soon

^^if no one comes through for TCDynasty i'll give him a free lesson (he's from Austin as well and let me on his flag football team), real nice guy, def. deserves the lesson, esp. if he put in his time helping out the other guys below him



edit: Just want to reiterate what a cool thing it is you did here palinca, im sure everyone enjoyed it (for the most part, obv due to be some bad experiences w/a setup relying on like 100 poker player ;P) and really appreciates your work. I havent gone through w/my sessions yet (to mjw and ITREID2WARNU) but obv def. going to, so just thx again for setting this up

I wish there was somebody worse than me at poker so I could get in on this x.x

Thanks bryan, obviously dealing with 100 poker players entails an element of risk, and I got a bit more frustrated than I should have

Next time around (which should be soon) I'll make much better disclaimers and rules to avoid difficult situations.

I'm going to wait another 3 or 4 days for feedback PMs, I have received some PMs from very generous members who are willing to help out participants who have helped out their students but been let down by their coaches, so if you are in that situation, definitely send me a PM.

I'll know in about 3/4 days if TCDynasty still needs to be coached, theoretically there is an excellent chance he'll get coached by someone who PMed me, in any case thanks for you offer, it's really cool of you, and TCD definitely has done his part in the tree so I don't want to let him down.

You're from Austin?

Sry palinca I went busto recently so couldn't help out =(

edit: grinded some freerolls and ffps and back in business so im game if any spots are free or w/e

learn how to spell fish!

im the same with borg and masp but going to get them done soon.

2nd - unless plants take up poker really feel like i'd have nothing to give back.......... maybe a fern. Anyways gg plancia!

bump... people who have gotten/given lessons don't forget to send me feedback, people who have dropped can also send me a PM I won't eat them, I just need to know where we're at to make the next trees functional.

i almost had a session with both borg and masp but fell through. absolutely still doing it, and primo has been in contact with me about mine as well. im sure when he returns from overseas (and brings me some cheddar home) that we will get it done soon.

I did a session for yaqh the other day. i think it went well...

Didn't hear from kierky so guessing he doesn't want it.

for the 2 people tgsm left out i will give 2 hours free in a group coaching for them after I reach sne near the end of the year.


also if another -midhigh stakes regs besides primo wants to help out others I will match hour for hour for another person, for the people who bailed you should feel disgusted in yourself.

Any chance for a new tree happening anytime soon?

fwiw I asked for coaching and didn't get any, seems like I am being vilified here. yes I probably should of given coaching regardless, but felt like the tree wasn't working (not really an excuse).

Will do a review of any games either tcdynasty or AG want to send me anyway. Apologise to these two for not doing anything sooner

I still haven't got any coaching from kierk either, haven't heard from him about a month now.

so you complained about your coaches that were assigned, and are now mad you didnt get any coaching. whaaaaa?!?!

got a lot out of it. ton of info--wish id recorded it . thanks again matt

c/o after having received none. but I still would of accepted it, probably would of learnt something/had some sort of positive outcome from it.

I'm not "mad" I didn't get coaching fwiw. Had a lot of things on at that time and felt if I were not to get coaching myself that I shouldn't put in hours of work coaching someone else. But then again I probably should of gave the coaching regardless

to be fair to him, he sent me a pm saying he would be up for some coaching. I replied asking if we could play a few games and review the games, but he didn't get back in touch.

just my two cents, not here to blast you - but hopefully this provides an outside opinion of the situation.

tbh, i dont think it really matters if u like ur coaches or not. of course the point/goals are to learn, improve, have fun, meet people, etc.. but palinca but a TON of work into this, as did a lot of others in previous trees to help make it successful. but openly and publicly whining/complaining about your coaches is a pretty weak thing to do. take an honest second or two and think about these things... 1) think about how it makes them feel, 2) palinca feel, and 3) you look. just a crappy thing to do and gives future trees a negative perception.

anyways, that being said if your coaching opportunity with your coach is gone and ur still looking for some ill help you out along with my two others.. if not no worries. but would def like to see u do your coaching with ur students either way. just the right thing to do imo.

My 2 cts... lets organise a new tree, but only with the people that 1) gave their coaching in the previous tree AND 2) took the (2') time to send palinca a feedback-pm.

This would result in a single tree I guess, with more motivated participants.

I agree with everything you said there ITTWU

Going to go ahead and review anything the two guys send my way (if they want plo coaching I am prob better to give that tbh but obv will give nl advice as well), and appreciate your offer for coaching

Wow, my last bump really got this thread going





Thanks for pulling through TGSM89, and thanks to Nemo, IT2WU and all the people who are doing their bit to make the trees work.

FWIW, from the feedback I've got there have been many positive experiences coming out of the experiment. And I need to take some responsibility for a few of the cockups as a clearer OP would have avoided 90% of the problems.

The answer is yes, I plan on organizing trees in the near future (probably after I come back from Barcelona, so around the 1st of december).

There will be much clearer indications as to what is expected from participants, with clauses such as mandatory feedback and being reachable by PM or AIM/MSN and something like a 2 week limit to completing the sessions. I will probably be more picky in the selection of participants, to ensure everyone in is serious about it, and also that the match ups are as good as I can make them (sites/formats, time schedule compatibility which was one the issues I didn't really think about, also age/language/personality kind of stuff).

I'm very confident that the next tree(s) will be a great success, and I'm more than happy to keep working on them. The only issue is finding "top coaches" who have the time and desire to make it happen.

Primo and Croix have been very generous for round 1 but we can't expect them to do this over and over again, but hopefully others will follow suit. I'm often pleasantly surprised at how helpful this community is.

Also, if you have any creative ideas in the same vein as the coaching tree but don't have the time to explore them, please speak up here, I'm sure we can come up with some interesting schemes.

cheers all

yea, me too tx yahq for the hour...was a bit tired but ur thoughts were great on the spots we looked.
tx again