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05-23-2013 , 06:00 AM
How do you play these spot vs regular without any reads about his post flop tendencies. Pls motivate your opinions.
He could raise me with a lot bluffs, but he could have a lot value combos too.
If I bet I can pick up the equity of some hands and can get value from Kx, 6x. But if I bet/fold, I fold a lot equity vs his bluffs.


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Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (SB): 21.5 BB
BB: 28.5 BB

Hero posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 7 7

Hero raises to 2 BB, BB calls 1 BB

Flop: (4 BB, 2 players) 6 9 3
Hero ???
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05-23-2013 , 02:18 PM
This hh confuses me.. Why should you act first postflop?
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05-27-2013 , 06:55 AM
My mistake, when I edited the hand. The action is villain checks and I should decide to check back or cbet.
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05-27-2013 , 07:00 AM
what's his 3bet%? If low, why not jam pre?
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05-27-2013 , 08:12 AM
lol, dont jam it pre, not really sure what to do, cb should be + ev, but you will get checkraised here with many draws and 9x and more agroo regs will checkraise here prob any equity so I guess you cant fold it otf and turn will be tough spot on many cards so Im checking this and calling turn, river reads on most cards.
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05-27-2013 , 09:07 AM
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Originally Posted by none888
lol, dont jam it pre, not really sure what to do, cb should be + ev, but you will get checkraised here with many draws and 9x and more agroo regs will checkraise here prob any equity so I guess you cant fold it otf and turn will be tough spot on many cards so Im checking this and calling turn, river reads on most cards.
i assume you're jamming 22,33
where do you draw the line in this and to what extend to you regard villains defend/3bet% in your decisionmaking to mR/call or jam?
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05-27-2013 , 10:46 AM
Bet flop, you have blockers
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05-27-2013 , 10:58 AM
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Originally Posted by mela
Bet flop, you have blockers
bloker for?
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05-27-2013 , 02:00 PM
Most gutters
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05-27-2013 , 04:42 PM
^which is also a good reason to checkback :P
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05-27-2013 , 09:09 PM
Yeah there are cons and pros. Reason for betting would be that he will have significantly less gutter combos with which he will check raise (sometimes). At the same time, that means when he DOES check raise we are facing a stronger range, which is not too strong for us to bet/fold 77 here but we are left in awkward spot nonetheless.

That said, betting would still be my default play here because I think the value we are missing by checking back outweighs the times we get c/r'ed and put into awkward spots.
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05-28-2013 , 10:21 AM
But when we get check/raised, if we call, a lot turns are hard to play. We could make a lot mistakes, because we don`t know how many bluffs he have, we don`t know, how often and on which turn cards will he barrel (even worse on the river). And he has quite a lot 9x in his range.
Mela, do you cbet/call this spot? If yes, how do you play turn and do you call down on some run outs?
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05-31-2013 , 05:09 AM
I think the problem with the ch/back if he's a thinking player than you give too much information from your hand:

- If you ch/back you would never ever have a 9x here
- This is a quite dry board so I guess you would cbet your airs here 100% of the times.

So what do you represent if you ch/back here? Exactly what you have: weak SD value. It's not too hard to figure out this fact, and if he's a bit competent he'll open all of the turns with more than a half pot and you'll find yourself in a very difficult spot.

Afterall I would definitely cbet here and if he Ch/raises than you can rethink what's going on here:
- I think every 9x ch/raise here and try to stack off because a lot of scarecards can come.
- There are a few 6x hand like K6, 67, 86, T6 in his flatting range wich probably go for stack on the flop...or maybe just ch/call but both of these options are good for us.
- I think approx. 30% of the times he Ch/raise bloff with two over or with gutter.

After this that's simple math but I think you have enough equity to jam after a ch/raise. Also i think call isn't the best option because the half of the deck are scarecards for us.
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05-31-2013 , 06:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Karcsibohoc
So what do you represent if you ch/back here? Exactly what you have: weak SD value. It's not too hard to figure out this fact, and if he's a bit competent he'll open all of the turns with more than a half pot and you'll find yourself in a very difficult spot.
in this case than its easy call down
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05-31-2013 , 06:38 AM
Yes this hand can go either way. If we check the biggest problem is if we miss one street of value or more vs 6x or 3x and some draws.

It's not a huge problem if he outdraws us with 2 overs as most 2 overs would/should call flop cbet at least anyway.

If the reg is good, then after betting you shouldn't be folding as that's just misplaying your range. You also have to call down on a lot of run outs if you check back flop too since you block 79 and straights.
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05-31-2013 , 07:13 AM
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Originally Posted by none888
in this case than its easy call down
Easy call down if the turn card under 9 but what we do if the turn is T+? We can call blindly one or two streats but I don't think that's better than cbet the flop.
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05-31-2013 , 07:20 AM
If T+ than we allso calldown, how it matters what card turn is if he is anyway barreling air with high frequency?
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05-31-2013 , 07:40 AM
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Originally Posted by none888
If T+ than we allso calldown, how it matters what card turn is if he is anyway barreling air with high frequency?
Because his airs could have good EQ against us. I would agree to ch/back for example a JJ in a Q high flop and we could easily call down a turn donk but here that would be just calling blindly imo.
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