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11-20-2016 , 08:37 AM
According to Nash charts we should be pushing hands like QTo, only 20+ bbs deep.

If so, is it incorrect to jam 5bbs ? If is incorrect what should i do with QTo 5 bbs ?
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11-20-2016 , 08:40 AM
yeah QTo on 5bb is a push.

btw I believe that most of the players stop using nash charts few years ago.
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11-20-2016 , 08:51 AM
Why ?
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11-20-2016 , 09:47 AM
cuz u can get more value playing hands like QTo on 20bb postflop. I belive that atm playing huht is more about playing postflop than ai/fold decision
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11-20-2016 , 11:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Hellomafriend
According to Nash charts we should be pushing hands like QTo, only 20+ bbs deep.

If so, is it incorrect to jam 5bbs ? If is incorrect what should i do with QTo 5 bbs ?
You should re-read the FAQ explaining how the charts work. The numbers are the minimum stack depth, not maximum. So it says you can shove it once you have < 20+bb if you're playing push/fold. The + is just because the number is higher than 20bb, but they didn't bother right it because playing push/fold deep is awful. So if a hand has 13bb it means that if you're playing push/fold, pushing > open-folding 13bb and all shallower depths.

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Originally Posted by BartekPL
yeah QTo on 5bb is a push.

btw I believe that most of the players stop using nash charts few years ago.
People still use Nash charts. They're still really useful. It's just that they model pure push/fold play, which applies only very shallow. The SB chart starts getting really useful ~5-6bb and shallower, and the BB chart is good starting ~8bb and shallower (though that's villain dependent).
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11-20-2016 , 03:59 PM
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Originally Posted by coffeeyay
You should re-read the FAQ explaining how the charts work. The numbers are the minimum stack depth, not maximum. So it says you can shove it once you have < 20+bb if you're playing push/fold. The + is just because the number is higher than 20bb, but they didn't bother right it because playing push/fold deep is awful. So if a hand has 13bb it means that if you're playing push/fold, pushing > open-folding 13bb and all shallower depths.



People still use Nash charts. They're still really useful. It's just that they model pure push/fold play, which applies only very shallow. The SB chart starts getting really useful ~5-6bb and shallower, and the BB chart is good starting ~8bb and shallower (though that's villain dependent).
Thanks a lot
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